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Originally Posted by Squeaky banana
(Post 2466362)
But, they aren't offering industry standard pay. They want us to take less than industry standard and give up transition.
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Originally Posted by astral
(Post 2466364)
I believe that is the minority and not "a lot of us".
Most folks that are in this frame of mind bid relief. It is a choice to do so , but please do not try to convince us that only a few benefit from transitions, it is simply not true. I do not even try that hard and at 70% seniority on the left seat I get some sort of transition drop at least every other month. Transitions are a great benefit to open time, reserves and junior pilots, and not just the folks "lucky enough" to get them. PBS is going to dramatically decrease staffing, (10-15%) which will affect everyone. This may mean the difference between being stuck on reserve or relief indefinitely, or no upgrade if your are in the 55-65% seniority range when growth stops. |
Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
(Post 2466372)
So that transition drop "every other month" is worth more to you than industry standard pay with PBS? Also, if the "a lot of us" is the minority then how come the ALPA polling said differently?
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
(Post 2466372)
So that transition drop "every other month" is worth more to you than industry standard pay with PBS? Also, if the "a lot of us" is the minority then how come the ALPA polling said differently?
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Originally Posted by Squeaky banana
(Post 2466532)
Like I said, they aren't offering industry standard pay... You keep talking about industry standard pay being worth something. If they had offered it, we would have a conversation, but they aren't offering it.
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Originally Posted by lowandslow
(Post 2466560)
Dammit man no one is saying transition is more important than those things. We are saying to not be so flippant towards getting rid of it. It has real value that those statements only undermine. In-base people could argue that 4 days off only screws them out of lines with all weekends off and they’d be right. That said it is a work rule that shouldn’t just be given away.
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Originally Posted by BusterBust
(Post 2466156)
How do you think your block pay and credit will be equal under PBS? The new contract will have a 5 hour min duty vs a 4.5, for starters. So how does soft pay go away? And the 22 hour overnight override remains the same.
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Originally Posted by Planepirate
(Post 2466820)
The 5 hr per day WILL be in the new contract? That was the company proposal, not the ALPA proposal. 5 hrs is a slap in the face... especially with PBS. Your post is the perfect example of how the company has been able to manage your expectations.
It’s unknown if/what ALPA will ask for in the form of a min duty period with any inclusion in PBS, but as of now, the last ALPA proposal had a 5 hour min duty period, as did the company. I won’t end with some smart “educate yourself” line like you chose to. Instead I suggest you visit the Spirit ALPA website and review the final offer we gave to the company and where we differ and where we agree. This is our most recent offer we presented. Guess what, we both have presented 5 hour min duty days. So the statement of it not being an ALPA proposal is inaccurate. |
Min duty period is a joke anyway. How many 4 day trips do we have with only 3 duty periods and a 21hr overnight. Hello 15hr 4 day. And the 4.2/1 is never triggered.
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
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Min duty period is a joke anyway. How many 4 day trips do we have with only 3 duty periods and a 21hr overnight. Hello 15hr 4 day. And the 4.2/1 is never triggered.
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