DTW Base ?
 

Is it possible to get the Detroit base out of training? What are the reserve callout times? Wondering if it would be possible to live 2 hours away and be on reserve.

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3,11 maybe a night one
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3 hour callout? Well then I could live 2 hours away. Not sure why you said "no". Can you explain?

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KCM is a regular 20 minute wait walking in the wrong direction for Spirit gates.

Michigan winter driving conditions.

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You could absolutely sit reserve at home. I live 2.5 hours from base and I did. This was a couple years ago so things may have changed with regards to staffing and how they are using reserves.

Ten year FO pay $109.27.

Because ten year upgrade.

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As you know it totally depends on numbers, but yes DTW while still in training is very likely and possible. 2 hrs out. YES! WX and traffic are out of your control so yes. I sat ~3hrs out on reserve. Never had an issue. You can watch trips and have a good idea of whats coming. DTW has a majority of early flights, it's not like we have 4 banks. Think twice before coming here, just looking at pure numbers you're going to be in the right seat for a long time on crappy pay! The quick upgrade window is closed. We have ~1900 guys now and that makes you a Professional First Officer at Spirit. Plus no contract in sight! :eek: The company has made no effort to contact the union to close the gap. So don't plan on a contract anytime soon. :( It will get a lot worse here before it gets better. We have a management team that doesn't value any of it's employee's. :cool:

This is correct. Don't make the same mistake I did. Stay far away from this place. Stay away.

Nailed it.

Also heard they are thinking of going to “virtual interviews” because they cant find good people.

This place is a complete embarrassment

Wait.... Detroit is a base?

One of the interview days last month we got a total of 9 guys to show up. That's all 9! The smart money is going elsewhere. Sub standard pay and no upgrade you're better off at a lot of other flying jobs. I think we're getting meatballs now, that's what I'm hearing. 100hrs of OE. LOL! :eek:

...for Delta

Yea, last class was supposed to be 16, 14. Only showed, 1 week into class, only 8 left and they haven't even started sims yet. Now showing a 17 year upgrade to left seat with status quo. That counts retirements.

Not busting balls, I just came off a redeye. This post makes very little sense to me. Are you saying half the class hit the exit button. thanks :D

17 year upgrade? I have friends there with maybe 2 years seniority and seem to think they'll be captains in the next year or so... Will they be in for a rude awakening?

No.

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Your friends were lied to............

anyone past seniority number 1400 or so will mathmatically never upgrade.. not counting for attrition or retirements and assuming no additional aircraft orders

I thought that seemed pretty optimistic. Where is the 17 year upgrade numbers coming from?

Or pbs. That seniority number could drop by a huge margin

prob a combo of pilots per plane devided in half and mandatory retirements, though it wasnt my number

Gotcha! Hope for everyone's sake over there that those numbers will change in a more favorable way.

Junior award is 1054, 1600 is a better guess if you ask me. Who knows!!!

no new orders=when the music stops at 161 planes, there are only so many capt spots. 161x17pilots per plane...divide in half you get 1368ish captains.

With PBS it’s more like 14 per plane...

If your friend has been here for 2 years already then yes, he will likely have a 3 year (total) upgrade. However, for someone hired now, that mathematically will not occur unless we get a new aircraft order or much much higher attrition (possible! Lol)

At the end of 2017, the most junior CA upgrade will be at 56% of the list.

Just my guess but... at the end of this aircraft order, 2021, we should have around 2600 pilots, with current staffing model. That puts junior captain at seniority 1500 ish. We have already hired through seniority 1800 ish.

I don’t understand why this concept is so difficult for some to grasp. If you get hired now, you will not upgrade for a very long time unless there is a substantial aircraft order. That is a FACT.

Spirit will be a great career choice if:
1 we get a good contract soon
2 airplane order
3 Management is changed to a group that cares about employees
4 we don’t get bought, merged, parted out etc.

Or you can play the powerball, which probably has better odds

So true. I hope everyone takes into consideration the reduced staffing requirement and it's effects when considering PBS.

But I thought it was just a way to bid

Technically it is, lol

Forsure! People will be shocked to find out PBS will make the contract cost neutral for the company! Big score for the company!:eek:

Excellent hyperbole.

Regardless of what we think personally about PBS and the possible inclusion of it in any CBA, lets try and keep the facts straight. I know its fun to speculate and exaggerate, but lets keep it at least as accurate as the forums can.

I ran the numbers based on my situation using the company's last offer, and I believe he's absolutely right, it's a nearly cost neutral offer. Under PBS, your credit and block will be virtually equal. Under the current CBA, I have 300+ hours of soft time per year, without any JRMs, special deals, etc. If I flew that extra 300 hours per year at current straight pay by picking up on top of transition drops, or taking my days off down to 15 or so, my annual pay would be within $1000 of what it would be for the same block at proposed rates. I, for one, do not want to be forced to fly that much per year, especially if I COULD make nearly the same money under the current CBA.

How do you think your block pay and credit will be equal under PBS? The new contract will have a 5 hour min duty vs a 4.5, for starters. So how does soft pay go away? And the 22 hour overnight override remains the same.

You don’t think you’ll ever have any soft pay under PBS? I’ve flown under PBS, there is soft pay.

You get conflict, nice. 20% do each month according to the union. Means 80% does not. And yes, guys who get conflict every month that pick up on top will not see a huge monetary gain with any new contract because conflict is gone, regardless of bidding, and the “free” conflict pay will hit those pilots. This is true.

I’ve done the math on the company’s propsal vs my current pay and it isn’t even close to cost neutral. Maybe because I don’t go in and double dip on conflict drops because I’m part of the 80% that doesn’t get them. I will make more with their proposal. It’s now a matter of waiting to see what the union can get done with PBS discussions and control. Devil is in the details and judging PBS as evil or amazing is like judging a meal before you get to taste it.

Make sure you share your math with the NC this week on the conference call. Will be curious to see what they have to say about it.

Anyone who doesn’t get a conflict at least every two months is not trying or doesn’t know the contract. I’m 75% in base and I managed to get some sort of a conflict at the very least, every two months.

The company proposal is cost neutral. If we vote that pos in we will be the laughing stock of the industry.

I haven’t had a conflict in almost a year. And I try so hard! But ya know. Sucks to be junior. Maybe I’m not trying to be more senior hard enough.

Well to be fair, conflicts on reserve are a joke.

I cannot believe how many of you guys speak against our transition language in this manner.

“Only the senior guys get it therefore I’m willing to completely give it up without a second thought.”

I hope you aren’t serious and can see it’s value.
It increases staffing and can lead to junior people getting a better line than they would normally be able to hope for. Just wait if the company has their way with transition you’ll get it more than you could ever dream.

You think it sucks to be junior now, wait until after PBS.

Yeah because extra days off for the same credit is such bs. :rolleyes: