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Sky is Falling 02-07-2018 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2522456)
hey Sky, you ever hear of a computer program called 'THE TRIP OPTIMIZER'? you're point is invalid my friend.....see my friend, you will never see it my friend.....


Yes. The current pairing optimizer is going away.

So yes I do think the schedules will be better with required union control of all aspects vs now which is non existent.

I know being the “cool naysayer” is your thing, but you’re wrong.

And if you’ll excuse me, I have a “Yes” vote to cast. It will be in your honor. Knowing it serves to cancel your No vote gives me so much joy.

lowandslow 02-07-2018 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522457)
That would be a good question for the NC. I’m curious to what was horse traded for the 24 hour Hotel.

When doing the math, trips with a 22-23:59 hotel stay are probably going to trigger the 3.5 duty rig anyways, which would pay more than the additional duty period.

In the end, a layover that long, 22 or 24, will cause a large TAFB number and the 3.5 rig will be paying us for it for a majority of the pairings.

Well there is a common DFW 3-day that will drop from 13:30 to 10. You think they’ll change that one? 31ish tafb.
Don’t worry no need to respond with that trip being an outlier and most trips will improve.

Qotsaautopilot 02-07-2018 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522457)
That would be a good question for the NC. I’m curious to what was horse traded for the 24 hour Hotel.

When doing the math, trips with a 22-23:59 hotel stay are probably going to trigger the 3.5 duty rig anyways, which would pay more than the additional duty period.

In the end, a layover that long, 22 or 24, will cause a large TAFB number and the 3.5 rig will be paying us for it for a majority of the pairings.

Not if they have a redeye and have one less duty period than calendar days. It might be base specific but I see a lot of these trips. The trip rig wont trigger so it’s either hard block (still not leg by leg) or it’s the averages duty period min with the long overnight credit. Almost all are under 24hrs.

We can also say that the time away from base is not that long so you’re home more but it still covers 3 working days so it takes more working day to hit the min credit for the line build. 18hr four Days like this will now pay 15:00hrs. Many pairings like this

Sky is Falling 02-07-2018 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2522461)
Well there is a common DFW 3-day that will drop from 13:30 to 10. You think they’ll change that one? 31ish tafb.
Don’t worry no need to respond with that trip being an outlier and most trips will improve.

Ahhhh, the PHX trio that everyone uses as an example. Yes. I’m sorry, that 1 will change. Tragic I know.

No need to respond to that trip being valuable and we need to keep it.

SourGrapes 02-07-2018 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522463)
Ahhhh, the PHX trio that everyone uses as an example. Yes. I’m sorry, that 1 will change. Tragic I know.

No need to respond to that trip being valuable and we need to keep it.

hey Sky, don't you have a road show to run today???

Qotsaautopilot 02-07-2018 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522463)
Ahhhh, the PHX trio that everyone uses as an example. Yes. I’m sorry, that 1 will change. Tragic I know.

No need to respond to that trip being valuable and we need to keep it.

I’m not talking about 1 pairing in DFW. There are many like this in las and fll

Sky is Falling 02-07-2018 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2522464)
hey Sky, don't you have a road show to run today???

Why yes I do. Because I’m #1 union man!

So my final statement is that it has been fun trolling the trolls on here.

This thing will pass and some of you will need to make a decision to accept it or wear a lanyard protesting it. Nonetheless, you’ll cash the paycheck from it just the same.

These forums are a dispicaible place and I need a shower after a few days of this.

See you all at the TA ratification celebration!

Qotsaautopilot 02-07-2018 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522469)
Why yes I do. Because I’m #1 union man!

So my final statement is that it has been fun trolling the trolls on here.

This thing will pass and some of you will need to make a decision to accept it or wear a lanyard protesting it. Nonetheless, you’ll cash the paycheck from it just the same.

These forums are a dispicaible place and I need a shower after a few days of this.

See you all at the TA ratification celebration!

I don’t see this as a win or lose argument but a place to share information and opinions. The road show is an information gathering place too and we all should attend

SourGrapes 02-07-2018 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522469)
Why yes I do. Because I’m #1 union man!

So my final statement is that it has been fun trolling the trolls on here.

This thing will pass and some of you will need to make a decision to accept it or wear a lanyard protesting it. Nonetheless, you’ll cash the paycheck from it just the same.

These forums are a dispicaible place and I need a shower after a few days of this.

See you all at the TA ratification celebration!

yes, please shower

Flying101 02-07-2018 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522432)
Well I just did a 4 day that paid 18 that the new contract will pay 23.

Do you have an example?


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