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Flying101 02-07-2018 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Sky is Falling (Post 2522449)
Oh you and your crafty little memes.

Find the pairing yourself, you have enough time on your hands.

Here is a hint. 23 hours pay is based on 3.5 duty rig. So sniff out that 80 hour trip, and you’ll have found it.

80.5 TAFB...lol Reminds me of the regionals. My guess it’s an early start and a late finish.

tinman1 02-07-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2522506)
80.5 TAFB...lol Reminds me of the regionals. My guess it’s an early start and a late finish.

DFW will have some great paying 4 days if the schedules stay the same

Stan Spadowski 02-07-2018 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2522464)
hey Sky, don't you have a road show to run today???

Best.Comment.Of.The.Day!

Foodstamps 02-07-2018 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Flying101 (Post 2522222)
Really.. 2-3 more days off per month and you’re willing to give up $20K - $30K per year?

Your day-off value ~ $700 - $ 1,100

Anyone actually know what an average Alaska pilot is paying for their medical insurance? I bet it’s much less than you’re willing to give up

I pay $94/mo or $1128/yr for medical. Dental is less than $10/mo and we are now on the Alaska plan(s). YMMV depending if you have a spouse and kids, want Kaiser etc., I just have myself.

As for days off, even a junior lineholder can average 6h+/day, so working minimum, work 11-12 days a month and have 17-21 days off every month, depending on seniority. We don't line bid (yet) on the VX side and our pairings are pretty efficient. I've been able to bid 97h block with 17-18 days off a month ever since I was 15-20% deep as a lineholder. No complaints. :)

Foodstamps 02-07-2018 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE (Post 2522385)
Here comes fhe “effective rate” crowd. Lol.

That is a terrible argument for too many reasons to list

Is it though? Tell a SW guy who can credit over 200 "trips" per month and double his hourly wage that. Tell a Delta or United guy who's swimming in soft time at 100-200% that. It matters.

I don't send block hours to my mortgage company, I send money. Like I see on my W2.

I think he has a VERY valid point.

SourGrapes 02-07-2018 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by astral (Post 2517179)
For CA years 2-8 (the majority of our group has been hired post Jan. 2011)

Source APC:
Proposed rates DOS.
$18-20 Lower than old VX (currently at Alaska pay)
$1-2 Lower than B6 ( soon to negotiate higher pay rates, +13hr night override + profit sharing)

the junior captains are really taking it on the chin on section 3. 5 year captains will be making almost $50/hour less than UAL. thanks for taking one for the team junior skippers!!!!! you'll get'em next contract!!!!!!

FlyGuy2002 02-08-2018 03:15 AM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2522927)
the junior captains are really taking it on the chin on section 3. 5 year captains will be making almost $50/hour less than UAL. thanks for taking one for the team junior skippers!!!!! you'll get'em next contract!!!!!!

There are no skippers at United after 5 years or Alaska or southwest or American and only a tiny few at delta. Someone who started United the same day I did here is around $165/hr 767 FO. I’ll be more than him. And Im left seat. If it takes United guy additional 5 years to upgrade I’ll be making $240,000 by then, and woulda made MORE each year between now and then. I don’t care if Uniteds 5 year captain scale was $375/hr .... know why? Because nobody is on that scale!! It’s a ghost rate.

UNSUBSCRIBE 02-08-2018 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by Foodstamps (Post 2522893)
I pay $94/mo or $1128/yr for medical. Dental is less than $10/mo and we are now on the Alaska plan(s). YMMV depending if you have a spouse and kids, want Kaiser etc., I just have myself.

As for days off, even a junior lineholder can average 6h+/day, so working minimum, work 11-12 days a month and have 17-21 days off every month, depending on seniority. We don't line bid (yet) on the VX side and our pairings are pretty efficient. I've been able to bid 97h block with 17-18 days off a month ever since I was 15-20% deep as a lineholder. No complaints. :)

97 block with 17-18 days off?

Wow. Thats how its done, lol.

I havent blocked 97hrs in a month since 2006 lol

UNSUBSCRIBE 02-08-2018 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by Foodstamps (Post 2522898)
Is it though? Tell a SW guy who can credit over 200 "trips" per month and double his hourly wage that. Tell a Delta or United guy who's swimming in soft time at 100-200% that. It matters.

I don't send block hours to my mortgage company, I send money. Like I see on my W2.

I think he has a VERY valid point.

But thats the thing, you can have a high effective rate, and a low W2


Ask me how I know

Flying101 02-08-2018 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Foodstamps (Post 2522893)
I pay $94/mo or $1128/yr for medical. Dental is less than $10/mo and we are now on the Alaska plan(s). YMMV depending if you have a spouse and kids, want Kaiser etc., I just have myself.

As for days off, even a junior lineholder can average 6h+/day, so working minimum, work 11-12 days a month and have 17-21 days off every month, depending on seniority. We don't line bid (yet) on the VX side and our pairings are pretty efficient. I've been able to bid 97h block with 17-18 days off a month ever since I was 15-20% deep as a lineholder. No complaints. :)

Thank you very much. As I’ve mentioned before... ALPA needs to publish a contract comparisons for Spirit pilots! It’s MOSTLY speculations when it comes to other companies contracts.


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