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02-08-2018 | 10:09 AM

#181

falcon2000aj

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

I understand this in terms of the NMB declaring an impasse etc but it doesnt really mean anything outside of that. We arent in arbitration, its mediation. There job is to get us to move along and just meet, apply pressure etc

The NMB doesnt pay us to fly, the Airline does. Our mgmt could pay us DAL +1 if they wanted to, NMB would’nt tell them they couldnt.

If management wanted to, that would be great. Yes, it does matter, its called being in "the zone of reasonableness". Which the NMB does and did decide for us!

02-08-2018 | 10:17 AM

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Flying101

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Originally Posted by symbian simian

Not disagreeing with your numbers, with the variety in a fit size you don’t need to get to 50% to be able to hold NB somewhere, it’s just you said ALL WILL upgrade, and to guarantee that you need to get to 50%. Sorry, Not trying to start p*****g match.

It’s all good man. There’s always the mighty 190, 14-18 months to upgrade. Not sure why anyone would want too!

02-08-2018 | 10:20 AM

#183

Flying101

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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj

The really sad part is all the top legacy comparisons fall by the way side thanks to the NMB and the AK/VA arbitration award. The only comparable airlines they used and will use for us if we vote this down is AK, JB, F9 and Aly Giant. Guys need to get this through their heads.

I thought they couldn’t/wouldn’t use JB and F9 because they were in negotiations? Didn’t Alaska raise there pay like 2-3 months ago?

02-08-2018 | 11:32 AM

#184

ForTheWin

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Originally Posted by dotslash

See, go to reeducation camp roadshow, take blue pill. All will be fine. This guy did it. Look how happy he is.

FFS...give it a break with your 'reeducation' nonsense. Vote no and move on if you want to remain ignorant of the facts.

02-08-2018 | 11:45 AM

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FlyingOkra

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Originally Posted by NKSpilot

Monthly 5 yr capt (717?) guarantee at Delta:
$226 x 65 hours = $14,690

Monthly 5 year capt guarantee at Spirit:
$202 x 2.3% (321 multiplier) x 72 hours = $14,878

That’s how I look at it right now. More realistic IMO.

“Airline employer: Delta
Seat: Captain
Equipment: 717
Years of Service with company: 3
How many hours you blocked: 558 (All RSV)
Expected gross income: $264,479 including $32,400 PS
Extra Pay (DC, PS, etc.): $36K B-fund $6K DC excess cash $6.5K per diem”

02-08-2018 | 12:07 PM

#186

Qotsaautopilot

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$32k In profit sharing for all those industry standard work rules that help them remain profitable. Hmmm novel idea

02-08-2018 | 12:23 PM

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Flying101

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Originally Posted by FlyingOkra

He doesn’t get it man. Hence why ALPA or their MEC needs to publish a TA comparison. A lot of guys here (including myself) don’t know sh**** about other carriers contract. Spirit pilot group need to see their TA side by side with other carriers.

02-08-2018 | 12:39 PM

#188

dotslash

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Originally Posted by ForTheWin

FFS...give it a break with your 'reeducation' nonsense. Vote no and move on if you want to remain ignorant of the facts.

It is what it is, you all read /speak/ understand English yet you need someone to explain what TA REALLY means. Who is ignorant one?

Go to reeducation camp, so they can tell you what to think about TA. Then reflect on what you were told when you open cockpit door to find 20 years old gate agent with big smiles telling - may be ordering - you to call scheduling. Then all you can say is yes maam, then call scheduling to get your beating. At least you get extra pay even if lower rate than peers.