Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

When we (Delta pilots) voted down our TA, it took almost a year and a half for us to get another one. This was while dealing with a company that wanted us to have a new contract. The TA we voted down was 6 months prior to amendable date. The one we voted in was given to us about 11 months after amendable date with full retro from the amendable date. We lost the money that would have been give to us 6 months prior with the first TA. The majority of the pilot group feels voting down our first TA was the right decision myself included. Our's was voted down mainly due to sick leave provisions and changes to our profit sharing plan. The profit sharing section ended up being unchanged and the sick leave section was still changed, but to something a little more tolerable. Section 3 was about a wash.

IMHO, I don't think you guys will do nearly as well as we did. Your company is run by scumbags. It took a strike to get your last deal. It's obvious to me as an outsider that you guys want paid, but the company refuses. It sucks. I am honestly glad I don't work at Spirit because it looks like you guys will always be paid less through no fault of your own.

Originally Posted by putzin

Good post, thank you for the insight.

Some will never admit there's a difference, but there ALWAYS has been. Maybe one day an A320 will be an A320 and that's it, but I just don't see that being the case here.

Just glancing at our AIP it would appear we made some great Spirit strides, but they're still far from... (pick any legacy).

Do we hold out, risk what we gained for more? Unknown as of 11 EST, I can't seem to read the TA yet!

Originally Posted by symbian simian

Just an FYI:
When Spirit signed the last deal our top rate was higher than most legacy A320/B737 pay (if I remember correctly it was on par with 757/767 at DL & AA. The only reason we are even looking at the current TA is because the NMB is buying into the low tier argument. Look at what happened to Alaska, the got way below legacy because it's not a big international company (mediator, not my opinion).

Originally Posted by symbian simian

Just an FYI:
When Spirit signed the last deal our top rate was higher than most legacy A320/B737 pay (if I remember correctly it was on par with 757/767 at DL & AA. The only reason we are even looking at the current TA is because the NMB is buying into the low tier argument. Look at what happened to Alaska, the got way below legacy because it's not a big international company (mediator, not my opinion).

Originally Posted by UNSUBSCRIBE

Yes but those rates at the Legacies were also BK rates, Spirit was not. Though it is interesting that in 2011 DAL TOP 777/747 CA pay was like $226/hr and Airbus topped out at $175, where over at Airways the 320 topped out at $125

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

And in 2011 12 year A320 at Spirit was $152.84.

I’m not sure where this myth of Spirit contract 2010 having higher than legacy rates. Retirement was far inferior, Ltd crap, scope nonexistent, and the bottom right of the pay chart not an accurate comparison for the year.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

So true, complete myth perpetuated by the ignorant.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

Delta united and continental had new contracts in 2012.

12 year Spirit captain from 2010-2012 was $143.40-155.90. No one was making $185 apples to apples is 12 year captain for those years. Spirit was not making more. I think this is some kind of ego thing for people