I can handle negotiating 3 years past the amendable, lol. I'll be over $300k and have a 15% DC plan. I mean jesus H Christ how is that a BAD THING

Thanks for the personal attack, stay classy! That said, I appreciate your support in our picketing events.
However, I won't be voting to appease you. I'll be doing what's best, in my opinion, for me and my career. That's why it's called voting and everyone has the ability to cast theirs. Should the TA fail, so be it. On to another X amount of time for the next one (most likely another year or more). If it passes, so be it. On to the clock starting for the next bargaining cycle.

You will likely be looking at a stagnate airline a few years after signing as flying gets transfered to a flag carrier of convenience for our international stuff and regional for most of our domesric stuff. At least thats what I get from just the first section of the TA.

lol, possible?, sure............., probable? nah

Agreed. Get as much as you can now and work to tweak in the future. Some valid points are being made on both sides of the Yes/ No discussion. I'm looking forward to the roadshows and the All Pilot Call later this week for clarification on many of the areas that appear suspect.
Regardless, I trust the NC got as much as they could but I will perform my due diligence reading and learning what I can before the vote closes. As it stands now, I'm still in the yes camp...doesn't mean that won't change. But the pragmatist in me says this is good enough (far from great though) and that outweighs the negative, emotional response some are vocal about here.

If that’s what you got from it you should probably read the scope q&a on the TA website. That’s not what I got. Going to the roadshow today so we will see soon.

If its possible its a problem. Reread the scope section at E 4.
Wouldn't you as the company want cheaper regional and foriegn pilots working for you. Its just business.

This was the take at Delta over our failed TA in 2015 which was agressively sold by the then-MEC with the letters "PEB" being repeated.

However, when your membership, for the first time in its history, votes down a TA 2:1, the NC (albeit a new one) gets a verifiable and valid basis to tell the company, "Nope, Nope, Nope...that provision/amount isn't going to pass." The question then becomes, how long does the company want to carry the old agreement forward?

Good luck!

LOVE! Yes! Do your due diligence, make an informed and educated decision based on facts not APC jailhouse lawyers and experts, and vote the way you see fit for yourself and your family!

Its only the language in the TA that matters. Not a sales pitch.