I agree in large part with what you say. There will be interpretation issues that we will have to grieve. But one question you have to ask yourself is that if we would vote this down, will there be enough improvements so that it is much more airtight? And it is worth waiting even longer?

I am voting no not because of fear, i am voting no because of experience. example: i don't fly through thunderstorms not because of fear, i don't fly through thunderstorms because of experience.

Fair enough, people could be voting "yes" based on experience too though. Your experience is not the only experience, and the unknown of this TA is the unknown, not definite Armageddon! Some will go 20NM from a TS some will go 40NM both could be based on the same level of experience.

as a lurker from Alaska let me sum up this paragraph. In 2009 and again in 2013 our negotiators played that same video. It worked both times. If you look at our contract today with no scope, no work rules, no productivity enhancements, lagging retirement(in 2009 we handed over our pension for nothing in return) and pay rates that lag 20% behind the big four you would see the results of fear based TA selling....It has cost us as a pilot group more than 100 million in lost wages and retirements.....That is the time value of money

Please repost this daily.

If we want to get paid like the big boys we need to grow some big balls.

Didn’t an arbitrator give you what you have today? I understand in the past but what’s the excuse now, for example, for not having scope today?

I think there is a big difference here. You haven't seen the entire video so you haven't really got the whole picture. We are getting much better scope, so much so that the ALPA attorney said it covered every plausible scenario. We are getting very big raises, on the average of 43%. We are getting a very good LTD and a DC plan that we didn't have before. We are getting rid of a 15 year pay scale and the worst slope I have ever seen with a 12 year scale and much improved slope. We are getting $14 in pay and benefits for every $1 we gave up. We are giving some things, but with these substantial gains I believe it would be foolish to turn this down.

An ALPA rep at the road show today said that he has been working with on contracts for various airlines for the past 40+ years and the 14 to 1 ratio is the highest he has ever seen by a large margin. After educating myself on the TA for several days and listening to factual information I feel that the NC did very well

I’m sorry but it isn’t a much improved slope. When 11-12 is darn near $10 that isn’t much improved.

I’m not arguing a cost neutral contract but we are trading work rules for money. It’s much clearer math when monetizing money than monetizing work rules. But it’s nice to see parroting what somebody said on a show you watched.