The TA Road Show video is now online!
02-12-2018 | 10:48 AM
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Here's the problem otter, there is so much new and grey area in this TA it will used against us horribly. it took years to get them to honor the last contract. you will be doing things you don't think you have to do because 'that's not the way we interpret it'. we have been through it before. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. Alpa does not care about us, they just want our hourly rate up so it can't be used against them and their favorite airlines. FLY IT AND GRIEVE IT will become your new mantra
02-12-2018 | 10:54 AM
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This guy and some of the other hardcore "no" voters on here are trying to rally others in to their camp by any means possible. There are legitimate reasons I can see folks not liking this TA, however, these guys don't want to have a constructive arguments, They just want to insult those that disagree with them and use scare tactics.
Based on SG last post I'd say he/she is voting out of fear, fear that others on here are claiming is the only reason people are voting yes. Not saying that none of those fears are founded, however, kind of ironic...
Based on SG last post I'd say he/she is voting out of fear, fear that others on here are claiming is the only reason people are voting yes. Not saying that none of those fears are founded, however, kind of ironic...
02-12-2018 | 11:25 AM
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Fair enough, people could be voting "yes" based on experience too though. Your experience is not the only experience, and the unknown of this TA is the unknown, not definite Armageddon! Some will go 20NM from a TS some will go 40NM both could be based on the same level of experience.
02-12-2018 | 12:34 PM
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For those who didn't look it up like I did, it's Paul S. talking about if this is voted down, the NMB will be in no hurry to get us back to the bargaining table. We could be on our current contract for a very long time. And the NMB is not on our side. It would be a substantial amount of money, benefits, and scope protection lost during that time. Not good.
02-12-2018 | 03:53 PM
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as a lurker from Alaska let me sum up this paragraph. In 2009 and again in 2013 our negotiators played that same video. It worked both times. If you look at our contract today with no scope, no work rules, no productivity enhancements, lagging retirement(in 2009 we handed over our pension for nothing in return) and pay rates that lag 20% behind the big four you would see the results of fear based TA selling....It has cost us as a pilot group more than 100 million in lost wages and retirements.....That is the time value of money
If we want to get paid like the big boys we need to grow some big balls.
02-12-2018 | 04:00 PM
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as a lurker from Alaska let me sum up this paragraph. In 2009 and again in 2013 our negotiators played that same video. It worked both times. If you look at our contract today with no scope, no work rules, no productivity enhancements, lagging retirement(in 2009 we handed over our pension for nothing in return) and pay rates that lag 20% behind the big four you would see the results of fear based TA selling....It has cost us as a pilot group more than 100 million in lost wages and retirements.....That is the time value of money
02-12-2018 | 05:20 PM
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as a lurker from Alaska let me sum up this paragraph. In 2009 and again in 2013 our negotiators played that same video. It worked both times. If you look at our contract today with no scope, no work rules, no productivity enhancements, lagging retirement(in 2009 we handed over our pension for nothing in return) and pay rates that lag 20% behind the big four you would see the results of fear based TA selling....It has cost us as a pilot group more than 100 million in lost wages and retirements.....That is the time value of money
02-12-2018 | 05:37 PM
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I think there is a big difference here. You haven't seen the entire video so you haven't really got the whole picture. We are getting much better scope, so much so that the ALPA attorney said it covered every plausible scenario. We are getting very big raises, on the average of 43%. We are getting a very good LTD and a DC plan that we didn't have before. We are getting rid of a 15 year pay scale and the worst slope I have ever seen with a 12 year scale and much improved slope. We are getting $14 in pay and benefits for every $1 we gave up. We are giving some things, but with these substantial gains I believe it would be foolish to turn this down.
02-12-2018 | 05:46 PM
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I think there is a big difference here. You haven't seen the entire video so you haven't really got the whole picture. We are getting much better scope, so much so that the ALPA attorney said it covered every plausible scenario. We are getting very big raises, on the average of 43%. We are getting a very good LTD and a DC plan that we didn't have before. We are getting rid of a 15 year pay scale and the worst slope I have ever seen with a 12 year scale and much improved slope. We are getting $14 in pay and benefits for every $1 we gave up. We are giving some things, but with these substantial gains I believe it would be foolish to turn this down.
02-12-2018 | 05:49 PM
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An ALPA rep at the road show today said that he has been working with on contracts for various airlines for the past 40+ years and the 14 to 1 ratio is the highest he has ever seen by a large margin. After educating myself on the TA for several days and listening to factual information I feel that the NC did very well
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