Originally Posted by tweek (Post 2531071)

Two things you need to think about:
1. Do you think this company would ever want to start regional flying, or enter into a code share with flying we are capable of? If so explain why because I don't see it.

2. If this TA got voted down do you think the scope is what is going to be changed when we went back to the table? We already achieved some pretty big gains in scope as you said, and it doesn't seem to highest on most peoples gripe list.
All I'm saying is vote how you want, but realize that even if this TA fails, which I don't think it will, section 1 will probably remain. I would guess that the only changes we would receive would come to section 3 and in the end it would be at a financial loss.

Originally Posted by Boisemedic (Post 2530863)

Thanks for sharing the info from Art and for seeking out information from those at the table.

I think debate is healthy and good and now that you've gotten your questions answered, I don't think there is anything wrong with you espousing your views for or against the scope TA.

Because now they are based on actual facts and on the merits of the proposal.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2531273)

The thing is it was based on facts before, the actual words in the TA. I don’t have to be a lawyer to know how to read. I’m not saying things shouldn’t be verified but sheesh I shouldn’t be accused of fear mongering by asking if people are interpreting pretty basic language the same way I am. It’s like people want their bonus and pay raise so bad they don’t even care if it costs them their job one day. Without scope and LTD you have nothing. A job, not a career.

Originally Posted by Tool (Post 2531293)

We have greatly improved scope and industry leading LTD in this TA. Pay rates are half as$ed but not bad enough to wait 12 months for the NC, NMB and MGT to “rearrange the furniture”. My question is we got almost everything we asked for. WTF else do you want?

Originally Posted by Happy Grapes (Post 2531299)

To continue to complain about scope. Basically, that’s what he does these days. It’s not the level he wants, but it will pass and it’s what we have.

Originally Posted by Tool (Post 2531293)

We have greatly improved scope and industry leading LTD in this TA. Pay rates are half as$ed but not bad enough to wait 12 months for the NC, NMB and MGT to “rearrange the furniture”. My question is we got almost everything we asked for. WTF else do you want?

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2531270)

1. Define regional flying? If you mean outsource to the lowest bidder in a CPA in any type of plane. It doesn’t have to be a cry from Dallas to Shreveport. It could be a CSeries from LA to ATL. Yes I think it will happen at some point. If allowed by scope
Traditional codeshare- yes I think it’s highly likely

2. I have no idea. I do know I would make it known to the NC what my priorities are.

Originally Posted by DickBurns (Post 2531403)

I would worry more about Spirit buying used school busses and connecting places like MKE to ORD than I worry about Skywest.

Originally Posted by Planepirate (Post 2531414)

Dude shut up. You know management reads these forums and we don’t need to give them any ideas.