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Old 02-13-2018, 02:54 PM
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I started a previous thread saying this thing is a NO!

I wrote that when the TA first came out and the changes alarmed me. It was a knee jerk reaction that I’ve come to regret.

I’ve done a lot of listening to peers that I respect and a lot of reading of the Q&A sections that have been provided. I’ve attended a roadshow and heard a lot of questions being asked and answered.

I understand that there are parts that I’m not happy with, but I’m voting yes on this contract.

There are more reasons to vote yes, for the average pilot, than to vote no. You guys need to step back from the chat rooms and email the NC. They will answer promptly.

The rumors and conspiracy theories are embarrassingly stupid. Grow up! All the information is there in front of you and all the resources are available to you. Nothing is being held back.

At this point, I feel the NO voters are never going to be happy with any explanation. Vote for yourself and your situation. Don’t vote a certain way because it’s doing the right thing for the industry. There is no clear pathway to a better TA. The whatsapp loudmouths will be nowhere to be seen, if this falls apart. Take note of who they are now and see if they step up later.

Peace.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:21 PM
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Thanks for the thread. Appreciate you coming on here admitting you may have jumped the gun. Thanks for keeping an open mind
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Justmeagain View Post
I started a previous thread saying this thing is a NO!

I wrote that when the TA first came out and the changes alarmed me. It was a knee jerk reaction that I’ve come to regret.

I’ve done a lot of listening to peers that I respect and a lot of reading of the Q&A sections that have been provided. I’ve attended a roadshow and heard a lot of questions being asked and answered.

I understand that there are parts that I’m not happy with, but I’m voting yes on this contract.

There are more reasons to vote yes, for the average pilot, than to vote no. You guys need to step back from the chat rooms and email the NC. They will answer promptly.

The rumors and conspiracy theories are embarrassingly stupid. Grow up! All the information is there in front of you and all the resources are available to you. Nothing is being held back.

At this point, I feel the NO voters are never going to be happy with any explanation. Vote for yourself and your situation. Don’t vote a certain way because it’s doing the right thing for the industry. There is no clear pathway to a better TA. The whatsapp loudmouths will be nowhere to be seen, if this falls apart. Take note of who they are now and see if they step up later.

Peace.


Great post. Thanks for using your available resources to make an informed decision!
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:35 PM
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Good post. I was kinda waffling at first, then I went to a road show. So many myths on APC and whatsap were dispelled, and the more I look at this TA, the more I like it. Big boxes were checked in Pay, pay scale slope, a 12 year scale, LTD, better scope, long call reserve, better sick leave, and a DC. No changes in healthcare. We knew transition conflict would go. $14 in gains for every $1 lost. This is probably the most money we can get at this time.

The only thing that bugs me is no reserve drops after PBS implementation. But the substantial gains totally outweigh that. I'm a solid yes.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:38 PM
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I was a no vote right away too! I was even quoted as saying this TA was garbage.

I’m now a strong yes vote!
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Justmeagain View Post
I started a previous thread saying this thing is a NO!

I wrote that when the TA first came out and the changes alarmed me. It was a knee jerk reaction that I’ve come to regret.

I’ve done a lot of listening to peers that I respect and a lot of reading of the Q&A sections that have been provided. I’ve attended a roadshow and heard a lot of questions being asked and answered.

I understand that there are parts that I’m not happy with, but I’m voting yes on this contract.

There are more reasons to vote yes, for the average pilot, than to vote no. You guys need to step back from the chat rooms and email the NC. They will answer promptly.

The rumors and conspiracy theories are embarrassingly stupid. Grow up! All the information is there in front of you and all the resources are available to you. Nothing is being held back.

At this point, I feel the NO voters are never going to be happy with any explanation. Vote for yourself and your situation. Don’t vote a certain way because it’s doing the right thing for the industry. There is no clear pathway to a better TA. The whatsapp loudmouths will be nowhere to be seen, if this falls apart. Take note of who they are now and see if they step up later.

Peace.
That’s pretty fair. Just because you’ve seen the light.
There are many reasons this is a no.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by falcon2000aj View Post
I was a no vote right away too! I was even quoted as saying this TA was garbage.

I’m now a strong yes vote!
It looks like you got touched by Jet Bridge Jesus.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetbridge Jesus View Post
It looks like you got touched by Jet Bridge Jesus.
It was either His living touch, or actually reading the TA over and over again, going to a roadshow and also watching/listen to the other road shows online. Logic prevails.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:57 PM
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You guys read it on your own without any input. Decided you were “hell no’s.” Then you sat through and read ALPA’s sell job and are now “hell yes’s.” It always looks better when presented by ALPA.
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Old 02-13-2018, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 View Post
You guys read it on your own without any input. Decided you were “hell no’s.” Then you sat through and read ALPA’s sell job and are now “hell yes’s.” It always looks better when presented by ALPA.
Cant tell if you are being sarcastic or helpful...

Leaning toward sarcastic
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