For the no voters, what do you hope to gain by voting no? If this fails we get to keep our crappy pay rates, poor LTD, outdated scope, and poor 401K match. Sure we keep transition and middle day reserve drops, but those will go away with TA2 if we get there.

The NC has said the mediator would not push for more money, and the financials presented by the NC's own data show the company can't afford much more, so what do you think will happen? In my view we go nowhere for a long time, and then vote basically on the same TA with a few tweaks, giving up many thousands in the meantime.

Are the rescheduling rules in the new TA so bad you're willing to wait maybe a year or two and maybe not get any improvements anyway?

I know some don't like PBS, but one point made in the road shows by the ALPA lawyers was that of all the legacy carriers that went to PBS, not one has asked to go back to line bidding. Not one. The NC is well aware of everyone's concerns about PBS.

 

OK, I may agree with some of your points but in regards to what that lady said about PBS... are you REALLY that naive? You just take it in like that and not even wonder if she took you out for a spin?

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Some of the people saying the roadshows are a sell job and don’t trust the information that they’re putting out, are the same people that returned Bendos offer back in September with “My MEC/NC Speak for me”. Now that they finally present a TA to us, they’re not trusting the information presented by the NC. GMAFB

 

I wish to gain better scope now before it bites us. The TA is honestly much better than what we have now but it’s not good enough to leave alone for a whole negotiating cycle. And while we’re at it healthcare and MMG for new hires from day one. Easy fix.

 

Did that profit margin expectation slide take into account new revenue streams Spirit has not implemented yet?

That slide told me that we are basically required to subsidize the operation. If they pay us Delta we are essentially not competitive. Did I understand that right? That means this is not a viable business model without us undercutting the industry? Did I misunderstand that?

 

If the economy takes a nose dive, these pay raises will not be on the next TA if we vote this down.

We are much smaller than DL, UA, and AA. Their narrow body pay is subsidized by palitized freight on the wide body aircraft. Not to mention US Postal Mail on the planes too.

We gained a lot and can get even more on the next contract as we grow. Surprised we got what we got without any pure freight moving on our aircraft. We don't put any mail in our cargo hold as well. Spirit Cargo is something this company should think about.

So vote yes.

 

Wrong, NO Res drops w PBS.
It's silly to even mention rules which only apply until PBS.
Does anyone understand that these work rules will be LOST permanently, for the rest of your NK tenure?
Are ALL you yes voters applying else where?
Thinking you are safe from reserve?
Think again when PBS reduces staffing requirements.
This brings to mind the a$$ hole who did not care about the commuter clause because he lived on base.
Poetic justice was served when they closed his base...
If you are going to vote only according to YOUR self interest, be ready for the consequences. Life has a funny way to get even.
It's called UNION for a reason.
If this is a majority view, management will ALWAYS win, like they have so far.

 

He was talking about if this TA gets voted down moron.

 

Burrrrnnnnnnnn.

 

Maybe it’s time you take a break from APC. Your posts have deteriorated to name calling and personal attacks. You have lost credibility.