Cooler heads must prevail
02-14-2018, 11:50 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 532
Originally Posted by AllOva736
I'm sorry but if you feel like you got hosed by ALPA in 2010 by being awarded "OK" pay at the time ( recession ) and also industry destroying work rules I don't know how you will ever be satisfied. I think if you were offered $400 per hour with a 10 hour min day you would still have a problem with it. Given the landscape of the times I would totally understand if you call the current TA a piece of crap, but 2010? I imagine if furloughed do to issues in the economy you would cry to keep your job like snot nosed 6 year old. Oh wait....... burn this POS to the ground right? Something tells me you have always been the most ungrateful glass half empty person in the room your whole life.
02-14-2018, 01:30 PM
#104
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 153
Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
Not even stock option. Doesn’t even cost anything.
Vote accordingly!
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02-14-2018, 02:07 PM
#105
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
There isn't much we can do? We could vote NO and demand it.
I think everyone needs to do the math. If we vote this down, a 5 year captain will be losing over $5000/month, and many captains will be around that number if you just use 72 hours/month.
A 2 year f/o will be losing over 2700/month.
No one knows how long it would take for another TA and if there would be any gains or just a few tweaks and/or more trade-offs. We don't know if we'd need new negotiators, or how long the NMB (who is not on our side) will put us on a shelf. Three months? Two years?
One thing I've learned in my career with 2 major layoffs-you take the money when you can, because it may not be there down the road.
This isn't a perfect T/A but we've got a bird in the hand.
02-14-2018, 02:11 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: A320
Posts: 694
Originally Posted by astral
Management will be "highly motivated" come June.
Besides, there are far too many wh0res willing to cut deals to bail this place out for an extra dollar. We all know that, and most of them are probably NO voters that don’t want their special deals to end. They’re addicted to the gravy. These people get off on knowing they gamed the system.
02-14-2018, 02:46 PM
#107
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by otter1
Well we've been demanding stuff for a couple years now.
I think everyone needs to do the math. If we vote this down, a 5 year captain will be losing over $5000/month, and many captains will be around that number if you just use 72 hours/month.
A 2 year f/o will be losing over 2700/month.
No one knows how long it would take for another TA and if there would be any gains or just a few tweaks and/or more trade-offs. We don't know if we'd need new negotiators, or how long the NMB (who is not on our side) will put us on a shelf. Three months? Two years?
One thing I've learned in my career with 2 major layoffs-you take the money when you can, because it may not be there down the road.
This isn't a perfect T/A but we've got a bird in the hand.
I think everyone needs to do the math. If we vote this down, a 5 year captain will be losing over $5000/month, and many captains will be around that number if you just use 72 hours/month.
A 2 year f/o will be losing over 2700/month.
No one knows how long it would take for another TA and if there would be any gains or just a few tweaks and/or more trade-offs. We don't know if we'd need new negotiators, or how long the NMB (who is not on our side) will put us on a shelf. Three months? Two years?
One thing I've learned in my career with 2 major layoffs-you take the money when you can, because it may not be there down the road.
This isn't a perfect T/A but we've got a bird in the hand.
02-14-2018, 02:59 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 456
Originally Posted by wt93205
I guess that is as good as any reason to just roll over and take whatever they give you. You are right. You would lose all that money if you voted no because you wouldn't want to burden the company with forcing them to pay retro for the additional time. You are so nice. Did you know Southwest is making 258 an hour plus 14.2 percent plus a nice 11.3 percent profit sharing check? Huh. They are so lucky they were just given that...
Plus if you want SWA pay and benefits they are hiring around 750 this year.
02-14-2018, 03:02 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 279
Originally Posted by wt93205
I guess that is as good as any reason to just roll over and take whatever they give you. You are right. You would lose all that money if you voted no because you wouldn't want to burden the company with forcing them to pay retro for the additional time. You are so nice. Did you know Southwest is making 258 an hour plus 14.2 percent plus a nice 11.3 percent profit sharing check? Huh. They are so lucky they were just given that...
02-14-2018, 03:07 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 333
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Thing is I(we) don’t negotiate for the FAs. Call it something else, find a work around to the me too. Let the FAs sue the company over it. They want to piggy back on us, let them figure it out.
And even if they got it too, it can’t be that much money considering the pennies they make anyway.
And even if they got it too, it can’t be that much money considering the pennies they make anyway.
Last edited by DickBurns; 02-14-2018 at 03:19 PM.
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