Cooler heads must prevail
02-14-2018, 03:19 PM
#111
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by wt93205
I guess that is as good as any reason to just roll over and take whatever they give you. You are right. You would lose all that money if you voted no because you wouldn't want to burden the company with forcing them to pay retro for the additional time. You are so nice. Did you know Southwest is making 258 an hour plus 14.2 percent plus a nice 11.3 percent profit sharing check? Huh. They are so lucky they were just given that...
This TA is a huge improvement in a number of areas. It at least puts us in the ballpark with other carriers instead of the ridiculous pay rates we have now. Voting no means keeping those ridiculous pay rates for possibly a very long time.
02-14-2018, 03:19 PM
#112
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 19
Originally Posted by DickBurns
Dude, will you please do yourself and all of us a massive favor? Engage Art Luby personally via email. Air all of your concerns and possible situations that could hurt us. Everything you're saying on here, say that to him. And, by all means, post the exchange on here for everyone to see ( feel free to de-identify). You may be 100% correct, I don't know. You're so sure about the holes in section 1, challenge the gut that wrote it.
He must be low on billable hours this month- he said he was going to back off scope and lay low but I see on page 7 he’s running his mouth again dreaming up whackadoodle scope scenarios while twisting his mustache.
02-14-2018, 06:25 PM
#113
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by otter1
The point is I don't think we'd ever make it up. Being nice, or snarky like your post, doesn't have anything to do with it. It's about what's realistic. Most captains making over $200K/year is a pretty good raise. I'm not "rolling over" but making a decision that I feel is the best one. The ALPA financial analyst, the MEC and the NC feel this is the best deal we can get. I doubt you know better than they do. They showed the graphs with their facts. Do you have facts that show the company can sustain much higher rates and still be profitable and attract investment? The NMB was unwilling to push for more money. So what leverage do we have? We'd still be under the TRO as well.
This TA is a huge improvement in a number of areas. It at least puts us in the ballpark with other carriers instead of the ridiculous pay rates we have now. Voting no means keeping those ridiculous pay rates for possibly a very long time.
This TA is a huge improvement in a number of areas. It at least puts us in the ballpark with other carriers instead of the ridiculous pay rates we have now. Voting no means keeping those ridiculous pay rates for possibly a very long time.
What is realistic is you just don't want to wait any longer. The company has won.
So if the MEC are such experts ask them for the powerball numbers. What they say is as good as gold. They know everything according to you...
02-14-2018, 06:34 PM
#114
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by falcon2000aj
Love the SWA comparisons. Did you know SWA CA's made half of what NWA widebody FO's made in the mid 90's?
02-14-2018, 06:37 PM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by wt93205
Excuses, excuses....
What is realistic is you just don't want to wait any longer. The company has won.
So if the MEC are such experts ask them for the powerball numbers. What they say is as good as gold. They know everything according to you...
What is realistic is you just don't want to wait any longer. The company has won.
So if the MEC are such experts ask them for the powerball numbers. What they say is as good as gold. They know everything according to you...
02-14-2018, 06:40 PM
#116
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by Dukeuno
You do know SWA wasn’t doing this back in the 90s when they were trying to grow. ( they did have stock options and profit sharing. They had a better management team that cared). Their pay was at the bottom or close to the bottom of the industry. So you can’t compare Spirit to SWA right now. SWA 700 planes, 9200 pilots, Spirit 115 planes around 2000 pilots. Would I like more, hell ya, but I know this place needs to grow and I believe this is the best we can achieve right now. It’s not worth me to lose the LTD, Scope, DC, and pay raise to wait for who knows how long and who knows for how much more? Maybe it goes the other way and we could actually lose some of these gains, no one knows. You willing to gamble on that?
Plus if you want SWA pay and benefits they are hiring around 750 this year.
Plus if you want SWA pay and benefits they are hiring around 750 this year.
02-14-2018, 06:42 PM
#117
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by Tjamaica
Ha the NC, MEC and the ALPA lawyers? You mean the people that have all of the factual information? The people that have combed through real numbers? The people at the table w/ the NMB and the company? People that have been working on contracts longer than some have been flying airplanes? Yes, they know more than you, me and Joe Pilot. Much more
02-14-2018, 06:54 PM
#119
Hold my beer, watch this.
Joined APC: Aug 2012
Position: Airbus Pilot
Posts: 246
Originally Posted by Tjamaica
So you think I am wrong?
02-14-2018, 06:56 PM
#120
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Posts: 532
Originally Posted by Tjamaica
Ha the NC, MEC and the ALPA lawyers? You mean the people that have all of the factual information? The people that have combed through real numbers? The people at the table w/ the NMB and the company? People that have been working on contracts longer than some have been flying airplanes? Yes, they know more than you, me and Joe Pilot. Much more
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