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Macjet 02-15-2018 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2529149)
I feel like dropping from the outside in should been allowed up to a certain number of days a month without using mandatory float vacation.

That would have been very, very nice.

Macjet 02-15-2018 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2528840)
What guys aren’t getting is I want to vote yes on this thing. I haven’t been complaining about section 25 and while section 3 isn’t my cup of tea I’d vote for it because of the very important gains elsewhere. Good money, a DC retirement, own occupation LTD, and scope protection for mergers and prevention of outsourcing my current job or growth. We are 95% there. The 5% unfortunately deals with outsourcing growth and that’s a problem for me.

I streamed the ord road show and saw all the graphs and listened to all the Q and A (not day 2). I’ve read every Q and A email and the master Q and A on the TA website. I’ve also read the entire TA page by page. My concerns on most of 1.E have been addressed and although it’s not what I would’ve liked to see, I can probably live with it I think. I’ve sent email with other scope concerns I have that have gone unanswered.

I respect the NC and the entire panel doing the road shows and I know they are very busy. They may not have gotten to my emails yet. I plan to ask my questions in person. It’s not a personal attack on anyone here or the NC or Art. My questions have not been answered. I just get called crazy and that I don’t know anything but no one can seem to tell me definatively that my concerns are unfounded with supporting language to prove otherwise.

I read the scope section as if I’m John Bendoritis and Ted Christie trying to seek a work around of my now higher cost pilot group. These guys have a history and it’s not pilot friendly. The will not grow this airline with us if they don’t have to. I want our scope section to ensure that they have to.

If a frontier merger is slated for tomorrow it would be smart to take this just for what’s in it now. I understand that.

I don't think you're crazy and in fact probably you're probably one of the most level headed here. I would also guess what you and I disagree on concerning this TA couldn't fill a sentence. I am 50.01% in favor of this and hope it works out well for all of us.

CLRtoPush 02-15-2018 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2529273)
Maybe? We haven’t crunched the number yet, but I’m willing to bet she won’t be in favor of quitting since she has the better job. Even if she did it’s still not going to get me the days of for family events bc of the no reserve drop. Oh well I should have known after 20 years, a lot of pilots are short sighted and like shiny objects. I’m sure we will find a way to make it work when it passes (which I’m sure it will), it’s really bothering me that folks are trying to explain to me why it’s good, when I know for me it’s bad.


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Quit crying about how this might affect your personal life. Spirit yes voters are not short sighted nor do they SJS. For most, this job isn’t one that exists in the peripheral of our spouses’ profession. Vote no, and move on with your life.

flyingpuma1 02-15-2018 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2529426)
Quit crying about how this might affect your personal life. Spirit yes voters are not short sighted nor do they SJS. For most, this job isn’t one that exists in the peripheral of our spouses’ profession. Vote no, and move on with your life.



So I can’t point out valid reason this ta doesn’t work for me, but everyone else can point out reasons it works for them? Seems fair.


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Dukeuno 02-15-2018 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2529434)
So I can’t point out valid reason this ta doesn’t work for me, but everyone else can point out reasons it works for them? Seems fair.


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TYou could say this is why I voted no, and that is fine, but instead you had to throw in a jab of how the Yes voters are short sided and like shiny objects. That is where you are catching sh!t.

dotslash 02-15-2018 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2529449)
TYou could say this is why I voted no, and that is fine, but instead you had to throw in a jab of how the Yes voters are short sided and like shiny objects. That is where you are catching sh!t.

English is third language, what is your excuse?

HAHAHA you yesers kill me!

Dukeuno 02-15-2018 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by dotslash (Post 2529476)
English is third language, what is your excuse?

HAHAHA you yesers kill me!

Lol ,I was trying to type with a 5 year old saying “ daddy, daddy”. That is my excuse and I am sticking to it. :)

SourGrapes 02-15-2018 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 2529434)
So I can’t point out valid reason this ta doesn’t work for me, but everyone else can point out reasons it works for them? Seems fair.


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no, this ta isn't about you flyingpuma

dotslash 02-15-2018 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by SourGrapes (Post 2529528)
no, this ta isn't about you flyingpuma

Ah! Mr. Grapes has been to roadshow

SourGrapes 02-15-2018 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by dotslash (Post 2529535)
Ah! Mr. Grapes has been to roadshow

hell yea!!! i took 3 water bottles home


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