The point is I don't think we'd ever make it up. Being nice, or snarky like your post, doesn't have anything to do with it. It's about what's realistic. Most captains making over $200K/year is a pretty good raise. I'm not "rolling over" but making a decision that I feel is the best one. The ALPA financial analyst, the MEC and the NC feel this is the best deal we can get. I doubt you know better than they do. They showed the graphs with their facts. Do you have facts that show the company can sustain much higher rates and still be profitable and attract investment? The NMB was unwilling to push for more money. So what leverage do we have? We'd still be under the TRO as well.

This TA is a huge improvement in a number of areas. It at least puts us in the ballpark with other carriers instead of the ridiculous pay rates we have now. Voting no means keeping those ridiculous pay rates for possibly a very long time.

He won’t engage Art- he likes to play jailhouse lawyer and be the smartest guy On APC. If he talks with Art, he’ll realize he’s dead wrong on scope and he doesn’t know Sh$t from Shinola.

He must be low on billable hours this month- he said he was going to back off scope and lay low but I see on page 7 he’s running his mouth again dreaming up whackadoodle scope scenarios while twisting his mustache.

Excuses, excuses....

What is realistic is you just don't want to wait any longer. The company has won.

So if the MEC are such experts ask them for the powerball numbers. What they say is as good as gold. They know everything according to you...

Well then I guess you guys should vote yes because then you will be following their path and soon will be just like them! The money will just come in time! Except flying a yellow bus and hated by passengers. Hum...

Ha the NC, MEC and the ALPA lawyers? You mean the people that have all of the factual information? The people that have combed through real numbers? The people at the table w/ the NMB and the company? People that have been working on contracts longer than some have been flying airplanes? Yes, they know more than you, me and Joe Pilot. Much more

Good thing Spirit management has pilots like you to help them through the hard times. It is pretty tough right now. Those corporate tax cuts sure is hitting their pockets, and now they need that low cost pilot contract to be able to afford those darn expensive airplanes that they really want so bad since they are just so shiny jet yellow! Ouuuhhhh Yeah!

The kool aid is strong in this one! :D

So you think I am wrong? Please enlighten me

In all seriousness, I have seen MEC's recommend a TA for vote and then regretted by the pilot group for voting it in. So yes. MEC's are not always right in what they think. They can be wrong. I think your MEC is wrong this time. That is why some TA's get voted down, new members get elected, new TA's get negotiated, then passed when the pilot group thinks they have a fair deal. To say they know best because they know all the numbers and have been around a long time is foolish. I think this is the best time ever to get a TA, and another year is worth the wait. Take it to a strike again if you have too to get what you want including the additional retro.

were the profit predictions we were given pre or post corporate tax reform?