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lowandslow 02-16-2018 08:27 PM

BTW that quid we got really produced some magic here.

Dukeuno 02-16-2018 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2530556)
I said EVERY summer not ALL summer. Meltdown 2015, for example, was when we simulated TA 2018 for a few days thanks to JA.

I didn’t say all summer. I am wondering what other melt down we had last summer after the TRO was implemented? I don’t recall one. I keep hearing about the Big Spirit pilot shortage, but from what I have heard from instructors and the MEC there is no shortage right now. Yes we could have a meltdown due to WXbut I don’t believe that pilot shortage will result in a meltdown there there is not one right now. Every Airline has a WX meltdown each year. They just seem to recover better because they are managed better.

CMFIC 02-16-2018 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2530551)
This TA gives them meltdown protection.

We realize that, but Bendo told the Negotiating Committee this is Spirit's best offer! :rolleyes:

lowandslow 02-16-2018 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2530558)
I didn’t say all summer. I am wondering what other melt down we had last summer after the TRO was implemented? I don’t recall one.

I’m saying that there will likely be a meltdown 2019 as there was a meltdown 2017 (TRO), 2016, 2015,...
Staffing has not mattered. It’s a primary reason rescheduling and PBS were on Jyri/Bendoraitis’s must have list.
Do you understand yet?

Happy Grapes 02-16-2018 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2530556)
I said EVERY summer not ALL summer. Meltdown 2015, for example, was when we simulated TA 2018 for a few days thanks to JA.

Haha...Wrong

Guys were hanging around in airports for hours, waiting for hotel rooms, waiting to see where they are going....New contract we are getting paid to sit and wait when they are contemplating a reschedule. We were getting rescheduled then for nothing.

Guys were getting rescheduled into days off and getting nothing in 2015. 4.5 pay for some. With the TA we will be compounding to 200%

Stick to the truth.

Meltdown 2015 will happen at this place from time to time.

Question is simple: Do you want to make extra money when it melts down or hang around waiting for your quid? Ill take the contract that specifies the money vs a goodwill gesture from Bendo when it happens.

How much did guys make when they were stuck in Houston for the hurricanes this year? Was it 3.5 trip rig with 200% for the entire trip once they hit their 2nd day stuck there? Do the math, a 4 day with 2 extra days stuck in IAH this year 3.5 rig, all at 200% per the new contract, around 80 hours credit....Over $16k pay for a CA. How much did our guys get paid with this "awesome contract" this time?


Thats what I thought.

Dukeuno 02-16-2018 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2530561)
I’m saying that there will likely be a meltdown 2019 as there was a meltdown 2017 (TRO), 2016, 2015,...
Staffing has not mattered. It’s a primary reason rescheduling and PBS were on Jyri/Bendoraitis’s must have list.
Do you understand yet?

You do know we already have rescheduling in our current contract. So if one of my flights is cancelled I can be rescheduled today.

lowandslow 02-16-2018 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Happy Grapes (Post 2530563)
Haha...Wrong

Guys were hanging around in airports for hours, waiting for hotel rooms, waiting to see where they are going....New contract we are getting paid to sit and wait when they are contemplating a reschedule. We were getting rescheduled then for nothing.

Guys were getting rescheduled into days off and getting nothing in 2015. 4.5 pay for some. With the TA we will be compounding to 200%

Stick to the truth.

Meltdown 2015 will happen at this place from time to time.

Question is simple: Do you want to make extra money when it melts down or hang around waiting for your quid? Ill take the contract that specifies the money vs a goodwill gesture from Bendo when it happens.

How much did guys make when they were stuck in Houston for the hurricanes this year? Was it 3.5 trip rig with 200% for the entire trip once they hit their 2nd day stuck there? Do the math, a 4 day with 2 extra days stuck in IAH this year 3.5 rig, all at 200% per the new contract, around 80 hours credit....Over $16k pay for a CA. How much did our guys get paid with this "awesome contract" this time?


Thats what I thought.

Wrong.
How much did these meltdowns cost them? How much will they cost them in the future? Paying you 200% of below industry pay is much cheaper. Don’t get me wrong I want the company to get back on track but I will not volunteer to subsidize this company’s growth/business model.

lowandslow 02-16-2018 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Dukeuno (Post 2530565)
You do know we already have rescheduling in our current contract. So if one of my flights is cancelled I can be rescheduled today.

Oh gee thanks for pointing that out I had no idea!

Dukeuno 02-16-2018 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2530571)
Oh gee thanks for pointing that out I had no idea!

Your welcome. :) Lol

Happy Grapes 02-16-2018 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by lowandslow (Post 2530568)
Wrong.
How much did these meltdowns cost them? How much will they cost them in the future? Paying you 200% of below industry pay is much cheaper. Don’t get me wrong I want the company to get back on track but I will not volunteer to subsidize this company’s growth/business model.

Double Wrong. Wrong Wrong (Thats 4 wrong)

We have a meltdown this year, we will have our behinds dragged into court in a second and the TRO will hang over us until the next meltdown. You are hoping the company has another meltdown, we dont bail them out, a judge doesnt see this as a TRO violation, and the company doesnt play their trump card and drag us back to court. All this happens and the company goes to us with bags of additional money? Sounds logical.

How will you like it when a judge issues damages against us and we are now having to deduct a paycheck assessment to pay off Spirit management for the judgement? Don't think it can happen, has happened before in this industry.

I know you like to play Mr. Mom and drop your reserve days and stay home. And thats the TRUE reason you want this contract to fail. Hey, no harm. But thats your motivation, dont hide it as anything but that.


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