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Originally Posted by Happy Grapes
(Post 2530579)
Double Wrong. Wrong Wrong (Thats 4 wrong)
We have a meltdown this year, we will have our behinds dragged into court in a second and the TRO will hang over us until the next meltdown. You are hoping the company has another meltdown, we dont bail them out, a judge doesnt see this as a TRO violation, and the company doesnt play their trump card and drag us back to court. All this happens and the company goes to us with bags of additional money? Sounds logical. How will you like it when a judge issues damages against us and we are now having to deduct a paycheck assessment to pay off Spirit management for the judgement? Don't think it can happen, has happened before in this industry. I know you like to play Mr. Mom and drop your reserve days and stay home. And thats the TRUE reason you want this contract to fail. Hey, no harm. But thats your motivation, dont hide it as anything but that. Second-you obviously have no idea who I am as when I was on reserve I maybe dropped a day once. Never played the game but I do love how you guys keep saying us no voters only do so because of some special situation involving gravy or laziness. |
Originally Posted by lowandslow
(Post 2530585)
First- meltdown 2017 only resulted in a TRO because there were stupid actions and words done by stupid people. Only difference.
Second-you obviously have no idea who I am as when I was on reserve I maybe dropped a day once. Never played the game but I do love how you guys keep saying us no voters only do so because of some special situation involving gravy or laziness. Of course the same things will happen and the burden of proof is even lower against a pilot group currently with a cease and desist against them. In the end, this TA passes BIGLY. So scream and yell, it passes and we move on. |
Originally Posted by Chimpy
(Post 2530113)
They did but their % of pay increase was smaller an they didnt negotiate past 12 months of amendable (or somewhere around there)
He asked what airline has ever gotten full retro. The answer is: Delta They got it. End of story. |
Originally Posted by EyeoftheTiger
(Post 2530595)
I didn’t hear anything you said after “They did.”
He asked what airline has ever gotten full retro. The answer is: Delta They got it. End of story. 1) They were less than 12 months past the amendable date 2) They were dealing with management that does not hate f$ck labor on a daily basis like ours does. |
Originally Posted by dotslash
(Post 2530543)
I hear they did this also last time, scares people into yes vote with having no back up position. I think may be TA was loss when same negotiator was picked for this time. Hope we learn this time.
You weren't here, that's fine. But maybe now you're hearing only one side of the story. Accusations of "scare tactics" were made back then, and low and behold they're being made again now! :eek: Pretty sure it's the same cast of characters making the same worn out accusations now, and it's still BS. A totally legitimate question is asked. "What happens next if the TA is not ratified?" An honest answer has to recognize that there is some uncertainty. Nobody can predict the future. How long to resume negotiations? What demands will Spirit bring to the table when they do reconvene? Will there be a change of personnel in the negotiating committee? ...nobody knows |
Originally Posted by EyeoftheTiger
(Post 2530595)
I didn’t hear anything you said after “They did.”
He asked what airline has ever gotten full retro. The answer is: Delta They got it. End of story. |
Originally Posted by Ed Force One
(Post 2533002)
Don't forget ExpressJet, Contract 2004. 2.5 years of 100% Retro. Oh, but earlier I was accused of being unrealistic.
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Originally Posted by CLRtoPush
(Post 2533008)
That contract sure did set them up for success going forward. It is possible to vote yourself out of a job.
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
(Post 2533002)
Don't forget ExpressJet, Contract 2004. 2.5 years of 100% Retro. Oh, but earlier I was accused of being unrealistic.
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Originally Posted by tweek
(Post 2530031)
Question 1: What airline has ever gotten "full retro?"
Question 2: How do you figure they keep our pay raise for themselves? Guys like you come on here and make these outlandish statements like they are facts. If you want to hate this TA fine, but give a good reason. I cannot imagine how you could back up anything you're saying with logic or anything based on reality, but please indulge us... |
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