Be careful what you ask for. Apparently as part of the negotiating that got the Mar 2 pay rate changeover, the company agreed to old transition conflict rules for April and May.

Read the email, see what really happened, and then decide if you've been injured.

 

The grievance will get shot down. ALPA agreed to the March 2nd, and they are also the ones that determine if a grievance will get heard or not. You only other source is outside counsel.

 

We also have in writing that for every $1 we gave up, we'd earn an extra $14. When our 2019 W2's come in, we'll realize that claim isn't very accurate either.

Keep us posted on your fight; it'd be nice to see some accountability.

 

I'm not hopeful, but I am mad, and I feel I should at least point out they promised and didn't deliver.

 

I agree with you, and I would be mad as well. I was just pointing out the reality, but if I was you I would file it as well, just out of principle.

 

What was the ultimate goal/desire of the pilot group for this contract? What was left out that should be fought for in 2023? Is another 2-3 year delay in negotiations likely when the contract becomes amendable?

I get that a bit more pay would have been welcome, but a cursory look at the DOS+4 CA rates show that your new rates are competitive with A319/320 CA rates at the legacy carriers and they destroy the rates at Allegiant, Frontier, and JetBlue (for now).

The FO rates lag behind the legacies, but with upgrade potential at 5 years given continued growth, that is a huge difference in total lifetime compensation for an older "initiate" to the 121 world who goes to Spirit early on, given 12-15 year upgrades at the Legacies and timing/age that will prevent ever being a widebody CA. My calculations yield a result of $1 million in favor of going to Spirit after about 3 years at a regional over waiting to flow to American from one of their WO regionals.

I'd like to have seen a bump in training pay and a slightly stronger 1st year FO rate, but I can see how retaining a barrier to entry will weed out candidates that aren't serious about a long-term career move to Spirit.

Management will always be the thorn in the side of the flight crews, but aside from that is the work enjoyable and are the people good to work with? Is Spirit somewhere you could see yourself finishing your career after the "improvements" in this TA?

 

Dear god, please stop.

 

They still got you guys on the pay roll huh? 12-15 year upgrade at the legacies? Try 2–5. Meanwhile our upgrade times will continue to creep up and our lack of profit sharing, subpar FO rates and embarrassing training pay will continue to motivate anybody with less than five years on property to bail for the legacies/SWA/FedEx as soon as they get the call.

 

There are many many staying at Spirit for a career. Crews are awesome! Lots of 5 year pilots that don't even have apps in at the others. Lots of negativity on APC but try asking a pilot in person and it won't seem so bad.

 

This is so true. What people say on APC and what you hear on the line are different.