You are the one who has to live with being low tier and looked down upon not me. No skin off my back bud.

Just Curious, Who do you think would buy/merge. I know F9 would be a big player for a merge, but would a buyout really be that interesting to the Big 3 (I'd assume they would be the only ones with the financial means for a buyout)?

I'm just really happy that beans and Feng are able to dance for joy and tell everyone I told you so. It's not a perfect ta, but I'm pretty happy. Your happy. It's a win win in my book. Glad you guys got what you wanted!

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You came here when pay was 45% less than our new contract and it was good enough but now somehow you are too good for a 45% increase? What planet do you live on?, lol that makes zero sense. None at all.

So you don’t even work at Spirit? Yet you spend most of your time commenting in the spirit section, dude that’s pretty sad 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a fu€king loser!😂😂😂😂

Ok Mr. deranged psychopath. Have a nice day. Move it along, nothing to see here anymore. Go bother the F9 guys now.

I’ll bite. If you looked at our rates compared to the others at the time it really didn’t seem as far off. Once the tide started rising I assumed it would raise our boat too. 2 years ago this TA would have passed by at least 85%. Today, meh. I’m not crying as this is a decent raise and I should be senior enough to not worry about reserve no matter how much our staffing requirement is reduced.

“A little bit”? Hahahaha
Really not meaning to pick on you!

The problem is you are looking at only rates. The 2010 might have had closer rates to the Legacies, but it still had sh!tty LTD and Scope. Now with this contract Spirit at least has awesome LTD, decent Scope, DC and pretty good pay rates. It’s not close to a perfect CBA, but it is a great improvement.

We got Gaslighted. That's what happened. Management did pretty much a perfect job. 70% of us fell for it.


I hope they reward themselves with something nice from the 2 years' worth of 43% raises they got to keep. (signing bonus being worth approx 1/5 of Retro.)

We'd have a lower failure rate, at least.

The 30% ers are out in full force lol!! Don't forget, Delta, United, Southwest, Fedex are all hiring. You guys lost this vote, but you can still can vote with your feet. Will the no voters leave? Of course not. The time for debate is over. Lets move on.

Oh I didn’t realize they had DC. My bad. I’m looking at whole agreement. Didn’t add up for me but obviously was at least just good enough for most.

Thanks brah but you left out AA. At least none of them will hide behind the NMB to support an inferiority complex. You can’t attack people in your first post evah and then go all Rodney King.

No worries man! I don’t think you are picking on me. You make valid points.

Absolutely...As a B6 dude we are fighting our azzes off for better everything.
You essentially voted for our pay rates as of 2016 for the next 8 yrs and you made the company much more profitable with PBS.What’s done is done...
Good luck in 2025!

Well, before you cast stones, lets see what you guys do about your health insurance, your lack of 4 days off, your PS which your mgmt just basically took away, real LTD, Scope and your complete lack of RSV rules.

Not a ****ing match, just a reality that everything comes at a cost..........

Anyway, good luck, I hope you guys get a stellar Contract

Am I reading this correct...You have to be a Spirit Captain 5 yrs to break 200$?

Hahahahahahhahahaha......Beans and Feng is having a ball. Hahahhaha

No, you aren’t. You have to be here 3 years. Which is 4th year pay.

You may not be casting stones, but I am. Frontier and Jetblue better get united plus 20 and the best work rules in the industry or otherwise they would be bringing everyone else down. That how pattern bargaining works, right?

Many friends at B6. I hope that you all do get a great contract.
I’ll see how your NC and MEC handle the NMB. I’m thinking it will be a similar outcome to what NK had. I really hate dick measuring contests, each of us are in this occupation and at different airlines for a multitude of reasons.
Although not perfect, NK gained lots in this contract. Largest percentage gain in pay ever under ALPA, no real disability to own occupation until 65, retained 4 days off between pairings, excellent health insurance still, consistent RAP’s and direct contribution to 401k.
Could it have been better? Of course, it always can. I’ll be interested to see what B6 gets. I’ll also be supporting you at any ALPA events.

Good to see we're already defending our compensation with our work rules. The more things change...

Just a short time ago we had guys arguing how this isn't a hobby and pay is more important than maintaining certain QOL items. We were talking about UAL+, we keep the operation afloat more than most OALs, we fly more pax than mainline 75s, etc. I'm having a really hard time coming down from that. Evidently most either never believed it or gave up from fatigue.

Don't worry, you won't see me wearing a 30% lanyard. I'll be the guy updating his mainline app on the 17.5 hour layover at the BOS short stay. Ready to move on whether that call happens or not.

Low, you can be as ****ed of as you want but to acknowledge ZERO gains is not doing anyone any good.

Don’t worry, between Frankie and the NMB, you all will have your hands full. Good luck to you, with those two things, you are in for an uphill battle. The NMB will soon inform you that you will never be released just like they did to Spirit ALPA.

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Sorry added more to my post while you were responding. I know we made gains in some areas. Conceding PBS in a positive negotiating environment should have yielded more. Transition was a huge thorn in their side that too many conceded before we even got to the table. A couple of nagging items to include flying SF planes for a year without ever hearing what the remedy was.

Agreed. No argument there

Almost. You’d have to be on a 16hr44min layover to be at the short stay.

?? Did I need to say 17.5 block in to block out?

Kinda yeah.

I always laugh when a Jblu guy councils. You realize you've never fought or paid a price for anything, right?

I'm not sure what line you think you're holding since your pay has been handed to you to keep Alpa off the property and you gladly accepted. Good for you, unfortunate for the rest of us. You undercut the industry for a decade and did nothing to further the cause. Well, except your fancy blue chips. Most of your cheerleadrs were still in flight school while the rest of us were ensuring you people didn't change flight and duty rules with OUR union dues. JFK-LAX-JFK ring a bell?

Achieve "industry leading" on your new contract and you'll have our respect (which I doubt you care about anymore than you did since 99). Short of that, you and your 700 man March mean chit.

By the way, thanks for joining Alpa because you were afraid of a merger and being stapled.

And YES, we sold too much for too little!

Oh and "good luck".:rolleyes:

Good post. Really is amazing isn’t it.

They did all that and cleaned the aircraft.

That’s all dandy except many of Jetblue’s pilots were long ALPA dues paying members for years or decades before they went to Jetblue to improve from the regional hell that ALPA helped to create. And now they are members again at Jetblue. Let’s keep perspective.

If Jetblue had called me first and I was based at home it’s likely that I would be there and not here at Spirit. No kid goes to Flight school with aspirations of being a Spirit or Jetblue pilot. We’re all on the same team brothers

poor putzin, truth hurts......don't worry putzin, you did the best u were capable of

True, I grew up wanting to be an Eastern & PanAm Pilot 🤔

Uh no, we didn't. Hopefully you'll/they'll, be our saviors. Fellow, low tier, "team" member. 😘

And write bad checks!

Discount Fares, Discount Pilots-------we'all get it



INDUSTRY STANDARD IN 2026!!!!!

I wouldn't get that upset with folks from Frontier or JB airing their frustrations at the outcome of our contract. Our vote will make their negotiations that much more difficult. It would be no different than if Southwest's last agreement was our current pay rates plus givebacks of many QOL items. That would have frustrated some of us... and made our road more challenging.

That being said, our group should invest wisely any additional income that may come with C2018 so we can each be in a position to turn down a substandard offer next time around, should it be presented.

It's been fun, Peace