Considering a career at Spirit
05-18-2019, 05:13 PM
#331
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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And yet our failure rate with the oral for the groups coming in second half of 2017 and into early 2018 was pathetically high...
Wonder if there is a correlation to reduced hiring mins, lack of qualified applicants, increased busts, and an extra sim being added for new hires? Hmmm...I wonder.
Wonder if there is a correlation to reduced hiring mins, lack of qualified applicants, increased busts, and an extra sim being added for new hires? Hmmm...I wonder.
The training here has always been more stressful than needed. I don’t know if that’s because they want it to be stressful or the reputation causes the added stress. First day of indoc the ground instructor, who’d never flown anything other than a piston twin, bragged about how three guys washed out of the previous class. He almost laughed about it as it was some kind of joke. My buddies at Delta say first day they’re told that there’s a no pilot left behind policy and if they study and put in a good effort they won’t wash out and just to have a good attitude and everything will be fine. I don’t need anyone to sugar coat anything but it certainly sets the stage with how the next couple months are going to go.
Spirit adds the added stress and they know they’re doing it. Spirits training isn’t really a big deal just don’t fall into the stressful trap that they lay out for you. Like others said, know memory items, limitations, flows and you’ll be fine.
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05-18-2019, 08:57 PM
#332
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 211
The training here has always been more stressful than needed. I don’t know if that’s because they want it to be stressful or the reputation causes the added stress. First day of indoc the ground instructor, who’d never flown anything other than a piston twin, bragged about how three guys washed out of the previous class. He almost laughed about it as it was some kind of joke. My buddies at Delta say first day they’re told that there’s a no pilot left behind policy and if they study and put in a good effort they won’t wash out and just to have a good attitude and everything will be fine. I don’t need anyone to sugar coat anything but it certainly sets the stage with how the next couple months are going to go.
Spirit adds the added stress and they know they’re doing it. Spirits training isn’t really a big deal just don’t fall into the stressful trap that they lay out for you. Like others said, know memory items, limitations, flows and you’ll be fine.
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Spirit adds the added stress and they know they’re doing it. Spirits training isn’t really a big deal just don’t fall into the stressful trap that they lay out for you. Like others said, know memory items, limitations, flows and you’ll be fine.
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Seriously, I have never been involved in a more cut-and-dried training environment. What you are expected to know is laid out very clearly- you are expected to be a professional adult- and learn the material....
05-19-2019, 01:44 PM
#333
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Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 128
I didn’t have an OUNCE of stress in training... Maybe worrying about coming up with my share of the bar tab?
Seriously, I have never been involved in a more cut-and-dried training environment. What you are expected to know is laid out very clearly- you are expected to be a professional adult- and learn the material....
Seriously, I have never been involved in a more cut-and-dried training environment. What you are expected to know is laid out very clearly- you are expected to be a professional adult- and learn the material....
05-19-2019, 02:57 PM
#334
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 188
I'm with SG on this one. The only stress I experienced was after I bugged out for the weekend after my last FTD and my first FFS. And the stress was me just worrying about being able to catch a flight back in time for my first SIM. However, there were guys in my class that seemed to be stressed out the whole time. I guess stress is like beauty, in the eye of the beholder.
05-19-2019, 03:22 PM
#335
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 211
Super pilot here.....You are full of $hit that you didn't have an OUNCE of stress. Bar tab....lol, we didn't start drinking until after our oral's were passed and I had guy's in my class that retained the information way easier than I did and they were still stressed. A 76 page oral exam guide to memorize, learn systems, flows, call outs from both seats. Selected/Selected approaches and so on all to be completed in 4 sims(now 5). It's tough but doable
Wow...
Lotta drama....
My new hire class had several nights out together- everyone passed, everyone seemed happy.
05-19-2019, 03:24 PM
#336
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 211
Super pilot here.....You are full of $hit that you didn't have an OUNCE of stress. Bar tab....lol, we didn't start drinking until after our oral's were passed and I had guy's in my class that retained the information way easier than I did and they were still stressed. A 76 page oral exam guide to memorize, learn systems, flows, call outs from both seats. Selected/Selected approaches and so on all to be completed in 4 sims(now 5). It's tough but doable
Wow...
Lotta drama.... I’m full of ****?? lol- whatever....
My new hire class had several nights out together- everyone passed, everyone seemed happy.
It was (as it is now...) VERY clear what was expected- so, we all learned that...
05-19-2019, 03:45 PM
#337
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 5
Aye yaye yaye. Pilots have a way of over-complicating the simple.
All training sucks. It's only as stressful as you allow it to be.
You want to be wound out of your gourd?! You will be stressed beyond belief...prob get a cold sore...and take two attempts at your type ride.
You want to endure the ho hum drum drum that is training and drink beer every night? Know your flows and memory items before you even get to training. Drink your pretty little heart to sleep every night, follow the syllabus...prepare ONLY for what the syllabus calls for and enjoy the most straight forward type ride of your life.
It really is that simple. Memory items, flows, limitations. Know that stuff and your training experience is nothing more than a necessary three months to get off training pay.
All training sucks. It's only as stressful as you allow it to be.
You want to be wound out of your gourd?! You will be stressed beyond belief...prob get a cold sore...and take two attempts at your type ride.
You want to endure the ho hum drum drum that is training and drink beer every night? Know your flows and memory items before you even get to training. Drink your pretty little heart to sleep every night, follow the syllabus...prepare ONLY for what the syllabus calls for and enjoy the most straight forward type ride of your life.
It really is that simple. Memory items, flows, limitations. Know that stuff and your training experience is nothing more than a necessary three months to get off training pay.
05-19-2019, 05:57 PM
#338
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: to-go plate at hotel buffet
Posts: 805
The stress was not the difficulty of the subject matter, the stress was finishing training in 40 days and having two days off in the first 19 days on property. Once the oral is passed, everything changes for the better but holy hell ground school absolutely was not anything I want to do again.
05-19-2019, 06:29 PM
#339
New Hire
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 5
No offense to your comment, spirit was my sixth training event and by far the easiest and most relaxed. Was it a piece of cake? No. Were the 12 hour days the first two weeks fun? No. Did it get easier after the first two weeks? Absolutely...because I showed up prepared. The worst part of being at spirit the first three months was the $4500 take home.
05-19-2019, 07:03 PM
#340
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Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 813
No offense to your comment, spirit was my sixth training event and by far the easiest and most relaxed. Was it a piece of cake? No. Were the 12 hour days the first two weeks fun? No. Did it get easier after the first two weeks? Absolutely...because I showed up prepared. The worst part of being at spirit the first three months was the $4500 take home.
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