BeechedJet

I curious to what 121 training programs would be considered more difficult than Spirit’s. This isn’t saying it can’t be accomplished, I’m just curious to where it’s worse.

Silver02ex

My last regional was worse. APD tuning off CL lights, to see if we catch it, and failing the FMS after TO. Too many gotcha in the type ride. This was normal with the old Pinnacle days. I passed mine, but my sim partner wasn’t as lucky, when he was given a V1 cut follow by a flap failure. No one in in our training department would do something like that.

AllOva736

Yeah because they can’t fail more than one system at a time. Or did i you not know that?

Poser765

I’d make the argument that gotchas in a type ride don’t make a hard or challenging training program, they make a BS training program.

Silver02ex

Someone ask what 121 program was more difficult than Spirit, and I pointed out my previous one was more difficult. What I said in my previous post, and this is all you got out of it? I didn't say they can't do something like that, but what's the point? Training and check should be a learning experience. Those "gotcha" IMO doesn't help on a type ride / PC. I'm all for it during a PT or LOFT.

BeechedJet

My first 135 I worked for, we had 21 memory items to remember for the check ride. The written exam was an 18 page closed book, short answer fill in that took the entire 3 hour allotment to complete. That sucked. It really did. What I liked though what that my ground instructor was able to answer questions. The couple hundred hour wonder instructor we were given here could not. Lucky for me I had 121 experience going into class. I also had about three weeks to prepare for day one.

If you’re one of the people that accepted a class date a week after interviewing. You’re toast. The pt.91/135 pilots in our class struggled as well just because it was all self study. Plenty of times those students had to just figure it out when information gaps appeared. Everyone in our class passed on the first try but we all looked out for each other and carried the people who fell behind. I think I said before the material isn’t hard, it’s just cumbersome. I found the first few weeks incredibly disorganized and that can easily overwhelm someone who isn’t prepared.

Omniscient

I’ve had the multiple failures thing given to me on a ride, the “mysterious fog bank” on the single engine ILS at 50’ after you have the runway in sight. I’ve had sims that were not even working properly but it was a go, oral questions that consisted of the “I’m a drop of fuel, take me from every step from the fuel hose to the exhaust”...etc

Non union company and a young pilot (as I was) you don’t question the senior check airman, they will fire you without cause or counseling. One guy in my class had a true breakdown in training and started vomiting hard core when he would see the sim.

Memory items were like 25 or so and you better know all the electrical busses on the plane, believe there were over 20.

Point is, Spirit is a breeze compared to this. Perspective is everything in life and this career; so many who think this is so “tough” have not had to see the other end of the spectrum

Xjrstreetcar

Regionals have been giving weeks of extra SIM time with no risk of anything appearing on PRIA. The rumor is one extra of anything at Spirit ends up on PRIA. An extra CPT, shows unsat on PRIA. Just the word from the grapevine, but certainly, if true, must add to any stress. Not exactly conducive to learning if everything you're doing can end up on your record. Strange really for an initial. So, a new hire crushes the oral and type ride, but has to explain why an extra CPT was prescribed. "Yeah, was a little slow breaking my Gulfstream habits." I wonder if extra OE is reported as unsat as well...

Omniscient

All this sourced by the “grapevine”.

Xjrstreetcar

That's correct... A person-to-person method of spreading rumors, gossip, and information... Open to correction.. Which part do you dispute?