Which base? I’m most senior in las and that something like 40% from the bottom


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I'm talking AA guy not spirit

Got it, sorry I misread that.


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LOL! Basically all of my America West buddies are more than happy. They are all either flying the 757/767, 777, and 787 as F/O's by choice or are narrow body Captains. Not a one complains about anything other than procedures and the A/A way of doing things, other than that, they love it.

I didn’t come to Spirit for the travel bennies or the wide body’s. I live in base and live within my means. So yeah not real interested in seeing how a Allied Pilots / ALPA merger would go here. And I have 2 buds that were Westies that hate it still. So anyone can find a friend on either side of the aisle. See it all the time on some of the other forums, just do not understand all the attraction to mergers. I’ve been through 2 and hope never to have to do it again. But I’m sure I will.

The only thing for certain IMHO is that Spirit Airlines has a big acquisition target on its back. You guys are tearing it up and have gotten to be a thorn in the side of many of the big boys (AA in DFW & ORD, UAL in ORD, DAL in DTW, and SWA in BWI). Our CEO at SWA has said that the only ones we can’t compete with are Spirit because their costs are 30% less. He was spouting the same type of stuff before AirTran got bought. I’m not saying it’s going to be SWA (as I do think it’ll be AA), but one thing’s for sure.....the bigger players don’t want Spirit Airlines around so draw your own conclusion as to their intentions.

Whatever happens I wish you all the best.

If someone was going to buy Spirit they would've done it when their market cap was half as much last year.

SWA can't compete because they offer a similar product save for free bags. The legacies offer a wide range from first/business/economy plus to the cheap seats in addition to a large network and frequency of flights.

Spirit does a great job picking off the leisure guys and stimulating new traffic due to their cost structure. Actually a well managed airline, I have owned their stock off and on over the years when it makes sense. I do think they will continue to grow as will Frontier. Eventually you'll have to make a decision and go from point to point to hub/spoke.

Shhhhh...

SWA charges for the bags too. It’s front loaded into the ticket. But their advertising department is adroit at making folks think otherwise.

Some of y’all are against AA buying you? Really?

Why does it matter? Some people doesn’t want to gamble how it’s going to play out. The employees usually never gain anything from a merger or a buyout.

Yes. Really. Want nothing to do with DUI Doug and his business.

See:TWA


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Just the "y'all" with common sense. The last thing this pilot group should want is a merger with anyone.

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This X 1000

Can you imagine the seniority list integration? It would only benefit the guys who have very little seniority as they wouldn’t lose anything.


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Most of us are proud of the airline we are building. 20 years from now we will be huge if left alone.

nail on the damn head comment right here

TWA isn’t a good example as it was a complete screwjob and laws came as a result of it. I’m sure there’s pride in the employer and what you are building. We were too at red tail, then a smiling Eskimo came. Pilots have no say in mergers but they happen and seem like will continue to happen. Would you agree the 6 unmerged airlines (Hawaiian, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, jetBlue, Sun Country) are prime candidates? When it happens, I guess the question is big 4 or one of these other LCCs. As for the SLI, the separate AWA list did just fine in the end with AA. Plus, 8400 mandatory gone in 10 yrs out of 14,000. How bad can a SLI be when 8400+ are gone?


Could make money if you guess right. Whoever owned VX stock got a decent pay day. Guessing game between the remaining 6 airlines now in terms of stock.

I'll raise my glass to that!

Lots of growing pains which are natural with a young and maturing company in any industry.

I wish more folks would understand any merger is going to suck for this group.

Until we have a major recession and furlough 25% of the list again, or until God forbid we have a crash. Imagine how big we’d be if we merged with the worlds largest airline?

If your buddy is 5 years and 55% then he’s in charlotte which is the most senior base and has been stagnant recently as LAA guys move in and the 737 is taking some of that bases flying.

5 years seniority will buy you 777 fo in dfw/lga and he more than likely will be able to hold 737/airbus captain soon. Point being his situation isn’t the norm. Plus, in a few years he will be 50% at the airline.

The crappy work rules everyone complained about were mostly from the lack of an average calendar day pay. That’s fixed. Plus negotiations start this month.

There’s still a good amount to go but your perspective is skewed from your one friend.

He's only one of.multiple friends for one. And for 2, the 55% may have been a while back but the point is 55% shows that it doesn't matter where you are seniority wise that the work rules are crap. Even with the new pairing rigs, they all still voice their complaints. And I have friends at delta, united and southwest and none of them complain to this level.

If the 55% was a while back then that was before the average calendar day went into effect November 1st. No more 11 day off lines now.

It’s all the rage for LUS guys to complain about the AA work rules. But believe it or not AA now has industry leading rigs with average calendar day and the other rigs that came with that. The reassignment language needs to be fixed but that should come with a new contract.

Some people just like to complain.

I don't know where the guy gets his AA left seat flow but my TWA buddies that are 98 hires upgraded last month to A320. That was the first time they could hold left seat. They are very junior LGA Res Capts. Don't forget the 10 years they spent on the street!!!

This boggles my mind.... American is run by a multiple DUI offender (couldn’t get hired as a ramper with his record). They have $20+ BILLION in debt, and growing with a still aging fleet. And, one of the lowest operating margins amongst the ‘legacy’ carriers.... Why do people fantasize over them? I have many friends there, and I wish them no ill will, but their airline is being horribly run.... I personally want nothing to do them.

Well, many at Spirit have their AA app in. Know of any at AA with their Spirit app in? That might help with understanding.

Honestly who really cares. If it happens we will all make the best of it, it wouldn’t be the end of the world and AA does offer things that Spirit doesn’t (real international flying, more money). But lots of us just want to grow organically and see where it goes. I’m sure back in the day when they had 120 planes everyone thought Southwest was a prime takeover candidate and that never amounted to anything.

I also think you’d have a hard time getting the DOJ to approve a merger and taking all the competitive pricing out of the market. It would for sure raise fares and hurt the consumer and that’s what they look at. Maybe under Trump it would get pushed through... But I think more likely it will be a mixup of the LCCs if anything is going to happen.


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Good....I hope they’re all senior to me and get hired.

I think jetBlue is the next victim. They're rudderless and can't seem to find a forward path after losing VX. Spirit may be in the same shape at 300 airplanes but we won't know for another 10 years.

Well, if you call 255 airplanes with firm orders for 153 more plus a new fleet type rudderless sure. They also have a new contract far better than ours. We are the ones searching the ends of the earth for Airbus slots and used 319s. I’d say we are much more rudderless right now, as we celebrate WiFi with cake cutting ceremonies.

Future Aircraft orders is not an indication of financial health and or good business practices. Norwegian had a bunch of aircraft on order until they didn’t. TThe theme is played out multiple times in our industry.


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and don't forget of the 255+151 60 of them are replacements (so 255 is more like 195) and of those 195, most of them are 15+ years old

Not that it's an issue, American and United fly some oooolllddd airbuses, but they will need replacing sooner rather than later.

I think B6 made $13M last quarter. We made $100M. I don’t know if their figure included a bonus payout. I think the poster means that they’re searching for a niche by rudderless. We definitely have ours.

Ok...their payrates are better. The superiority of their overall contract is very debatable. Last I checked their reserve and health insurance still sucks.

To call us rudderless is pretty clueless on your part. If you've been here any length of time, you've seen how far this airline has come. We're far removed from the Baldanza and Indigo days.

Compared to our new reserve system with PBS? Spirit, no reserve drops, period. Spirit can make Reserves sit reserve away from domicile. Spirit can reschedule our reserves at will. 13 days off a month. How is Jet Blue’s reserve system worse than that?

Not sure about the health care.

Their scope is better, ZERO JetBlue Express.

Their 401k is better- 15%

They have profit sharing.

Our Airbus Rates=Their C Series Rates

They also have a midnight flying override, better international flying override, higher per diem, and get paid for clearing customs.

For the 3rd Quarter

Our GAAP pre tax income was $96.5 million
JetBlue had a GAAP pre tax income of $68 million.

We had an adjusted pre tax income of $100.5 million.
JetBlue had an adjusted pre tax income of $180 million

JetBlue had a one time expense of $112 million in regards to refleeting the 190s.

JetBlue’s niche is the East Coast, the Caribbean, South America, the West Coast and they have a very loyal customer group in most of there markets. Seems like their rudder works just fine.

Sounds like you better get your app in!

Ah yes, the old "if you like their contract better why don't you go there?" instead of using other people's contracts as a way to better our own...

Sadly this is how most of the yes voters think. Some take it personal when you bring up the fact we are now, once again, the lowest paid Airbus pilots in the U.S.

“If you don’t like it.....leave!”

Don't be so sure we wouldn't still be under contract 2010 had we voted no.