No kidding. It should’ve been in this one especially with the below industry pay and retirement

you do realize we're already taking 50 deliveries all through the next 3 years?

Backlogs are a marketing tool. If you want a Boeing or Airbus, you will get one. Just look at all the “orders” at Farnborough and check which ones were actual money down orders.... there is a big difference


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The question isn’t can we get planes on property. The question is can we get planes at the right price on property in a timely manner.

Maybe...but to get a new one you’re either A) buying it from the entity that has the rights to that plane for more money than they spent or B) getting first right of refusal and hoping somebody backs out.

Full disclosure...I’m an F9 guy and as much as I HATE Franke I have to say locking up 400+ airbuses was a good move. He can either build his empire cheaper than anybody else for the next 8 years or sell his positions to somebody that values them more.

It's nothing new. Steven Udvar-Hazy made so much money doing just that he built a museum you and I can go to for free (as long as we pay for parking, of course).

All true. My point was there are airframes available


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Looked like the E2 was visiting FLL this past week again. I know Embraer has a big service center on the field. Not sure if it was another Spirit tour of the bird, but it could have been..... ;)

Odds are 3 to 1 we stay with an Airbus Product. This is nothing more than posturing for negotiations. :cool:

913NK still can't get the engine cowls to match the fuselage paint -
It's not even here and its already over a year old.


Aug 2, 2017
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Aug 24, 2018
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N906NK - Oct 19 2017
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Looks like our next 5 NEOs (913, 906, 915, 912, 907) are coming from Tianjin Airlines

Immediate positions are available for A330 and A320 Captains at Tianjin Airlines.
The following schedules are available for A330 and A320 Captains with at least 500 hours PIC in type, current in type within 12 months and under 53 years of age:

3 weeks ON, 3 weeks OFF - No Base*
2 weeks ON, 2 weeks OFF - No Base*
4 weeks ON, 4 weeks OFF
6 weeks ON, 3 weeks OFF
130 days OFF per year
120 days OFF per year
110 days OFF per year
90 days OFF per year

*No Base Option - Pilots choosing the No Base will enjoy a $1,000 USD subsidy and a free hotel during the time in China.

Compensation (net amount received by pilot - Tianjin Airlines pays taxes in China):

A330 Captains: Up to $24,584 USD per month ($295,000 USD per year) depending on the schedule

A320 Captains: Up to $23,250 USD per month ($279,000 USD per year) depending on the schedule


Do these airplanes come with the same after tax salary?

I always wondered what does 3 weeks on or 6 weeks on mean? Does that mean they will work you every single day legally possible during that time or are there days off during the “on” weeks?

Company I worked for did 10 days on , 5 days off. You would often work 10 days in a row, some schedules had days off. Also available were 20 on ,10 off. Here you would have at least 30-40 hours off in the middle to reset the clock. On the 4 week on , 2 week off you would have a day off every week. Never enough time to commute home, just enough to avoid collapse. This was based on JAA part Q first edition, I would not be surprised if the Chinese rules are much less restrictive. My guess: day off while on the road is a shift from late show to early show.

My new Explorer is almost TWO years old (2017 leftover, built 10/2016).

https://www.reuters.com/article/norw...-idUSL8N1VQ3J1

I wonder if this changes anything.

I'd imagine this would peak their interest greatly. They have said that our growth plans are in place w/ 50 more 320 NEOS to be delivered by year end 2021. Another 90 NEOS would be growth for another, what, 4-ish years after that? Through 2025 or so. Also, I bet they would like to have the option to convert 320n orders to 321n (or 220s?) w/ enough lead time

The end of the article says they want book value or maybe higher. I would doubt that would peak spirits interest too much.

Pique guys
Unless you mean something like maximize their interest.

The more you know...

Hmm, you're right, I never knew that. I always assumed it was peaked as in "Their level of interest reached its peak or highest level". It just made sense that way in my head.

The verb pique means to make someone angry or annoyed. But when something piques your interest or curiosity, here the verb pique just means to arouse, stimulate, or excite.

Anyways, it's just pure speculation. I am sure the interest is there if the price is right. More planes are coming but we just don't know when, how many or what kind...

After all that “effort,” you actually used “anyways??”

Lol

Your hilarious!

Supposably, for all intensive purposes, you can't judge a book by it's cover. [/facetiousness]

You're ...filler

I don’t think n6149 got the joke....

At all.


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What’s the latest rumor? E2 or CSeries/A220?

neither, more 320s

Spirit airlines to announce 18 A330’s.

According to their social media account “This BIG rumor will send us around the world”. They are to announce on Tuesday at 10:00AM ET on Facebook live.

I knew it.

The A319s are not efficient airplanes - high CASMs. No doubt there are plenty of current or potential routes (including current A319 routes) that could be profitably served by E2s/CSeries. The questions for me seem to revolve around cost per airplane (volume deal) and introduction timing.

Although I am a big fan of the CSeries/A220 and I am not surprised JB and the proposed airline Moxy have selected it for their growth plans, Embraer and Boeing appear more desperate for a deal - so, the E2 seems more likely since it is probably available in large quantities sooner (no big orders yet). Guess we will see what happens... What we can’t ignore is that there are plenty of underserved markets out there that Spirit could serve with the right airplane and economics.

I still don’t see it happening. To my knowledge no ULCC in the world has added a second fleet type and for good reason, Its expensive. You would think in Europe of all places it would make perfect sense yet EasyJet and Ryanair won’t touch it. Heck even Southwest doesn’t have a second fleet type and they fly everywhere, especially small and mid sized markets.

Our current management was quick to point out the 717/737 combo at AirTran.

I think it’s more unlikely than impossible.

And the flip side is how quickly SWA dumped those 717s because 2 fleets didn’t make sense.

I agree with that statement you made “more unlikely than impossible” and that probably sums it up best

Different animals.

I think the bigger point with our mgt pointing that out was to possibly set up investors for such an announcement. But that seems to have quieted in the last few months which likely means a secured bus order.

Good points. Europe, however, does have a lot more slot restrictions that also make higher capacity airplanes more critical for breakeven. We don’t see that as much here in the States - at least for now...

But there are 2 other costs to consider beyond mixed fleet complexity costs: financing costs and general operating costs. If the financing/order costs are compelling with a volume deal (especially with Embraer’s desperation given JB’s jump to the CSeries) and general operating costs of the E2 or CSeries are far better than an A319 or even an A320, then a new fleet type would at least be considered. No doubt the efficiency gains and new market potential would have to far outweigh the new fleet complexity costs to be compelling.

That said, how will Spirit maintain its growth into the longer term without new aircraft orders and new market growth? I guess a merger with F9 could be one path since they already have a big Airbus order. I would think avoiding direct competition with the other LCCs and Legacies and entering smaller or midsized markets with more efficient airplanes would be another route. Slugging it out with SWA, JB and F9 daily on large-city competitive routes (ie Chicago to LA or LGA to FLL) probably won’t be a winning strategy - there’s too much competition and capacity and not enough margin. Instead, Spirit could enter more midsized markets like ACY and MYR with less direct LCC competition. Think about it, without regional feed, SWA doesn’t access more than half of the country’s flying public, and the 700 is not a low CASM airplane. So, the trade off becomes sacrificing midsized market growth opportunities for a simplified fleet. The A319 is not an optimized airplane for smaller growth markets - so, another aircraft with better technology and lower CASMs should be considered if Spirit wants to enter more high-growth midsized markets (ie more direct flights among midsized markets).

Obviously a lot to consider. Spirit needs to continue to profitably grow in order to satisfy investors. Will be interesting to see if a deal can be made.

JetStar Airways has A320 and A320

CebuPacific has actually 3, ATR’s A320 and A330.

Pegasus Airlines has A320 and 737

Just a few I’m thinking of.

Only one of those I’ve heard of is JetStar didn’t know if that was an ULCC or not. But they have A320’s AND A320’s you say? Lol

Typo...A320 and A330...

Which JetStar are you looking at? I can’t find any that has 330’s. Although the one in Australia does have 11 787s.

Looks like they used to have A330’s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IPv5YHRtRe8

I guess now it’s A320’s and 787’s but still two different fleet types.