They can't. They're too busy on their phones.

Why hasn't this been addressed as a MEC level grievance? Everyone knows this is an issue. The MEC Chairman needs to address this in my opinion.

Then file NCCs and encourage others to do so. Don't b**** on apc, make your voice known in the method they've given you

But I'm just some dude.

But the b!@#$%^ has made some of us now aware of an issue that we were previously unaware of.

and that's great. but we can't change anything without NCCs. it's a contract violation plain and simple. File them

MEC Level Grievances have been done at other ALPA carriers. NCC's could be added as well.

Any more info on getting those hot plates?

I agree with you. It needs to be made clear these are pilot only rooms.

It’s doesn’t matter if you’re coming in from a commute or on a 3 hour sit . We’ve got to enforce the contract.

I didn't mean that we, the pilot group, have no recourse other than NCCs, I meant we, the posters of this thread, have nothing we can do but NCCs.

Point taken and understood.

Purely speculative article, but the delivery timelines for potentially better airplanes than the E2 (like the CSeries/A220) are growing... With the long order backlogs, it would take 4-5 years to get a new NEO or 737-MAX ordered today. Doesn’t Spirit want to maintain its high growth rate? The article makes some good points:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-spirit-airlines-might-order-154000628.html

Honestly at this point I don't feel like the goal is growth...if it was we would have ordered something by now. At this point it will take years to get an Airbus order (320) since Frontier ordered about a million. Boeing's 737 max's are on a back log now as well. I'm not sure what our "goal" is anymore but if you step back and look at it, it sure doesn't look like growth.....

You know, an order may have been made and they’re waiting to announce just before the end of the year prior to Chrstie’s christening. Just a thought.

No orders because of the impending merger. No need for new planes if they can push it through the DOJ.

Merger with who? 🧐

Merger with whom?

If it’s who we’re screwed; if it’s whom we win!

Frontier seems to be adding a lot of airframes that would be useful for growth....

Everyone is merging with everyone.

FACT.

Swift air, that is how we will obtain 737 and keep bragging about our new plane smell.

Biggest mistake spirit made is not ordering Airbus. They fought over pennies and now they are gonna be stuck with some Chinese or Russian Airbus knockoff, or an Embraer. Multiple fleet type is gonna kill spirit. Bottom line. Best hope for spirit’s survival is merger with someone with lots of Airbus orders....frontier :D

I love all the economics and business majors on here who thinks if an airline goes a few years without any new airframes it will just instantly cease to exist lol.

True but Spirit is a growth airline. That’s why people buy the stock. If Spirit isn’t growing they are viewed as leaving money on the table. Legacies aren’t necessarily in the growth business and people buy their stock for different reasons.

A piece of paper on the wall isn’t any more indicative of compentence in a field than that type rating printed on a pilot certificate makes one a good airbus pilot.

Spirit management believes it’s important, and by your reasoning then so should you. They’ve mentioned multiple times that they’re looking for the next purchase. Not just to grow, but to attract investment. They kept the 319’s as a stopgap to fill growth needs until the current growth plan expires in 2021.

You guys do realize that spirit can’t grow forever correct? I understand wanting to grow but I’m just saying 2 or 3 years without new airframes while still printing out the cash is not a big deal. I swear you guys are like regional pilots all googley for shiny new airplanes lol.

Nah I just want my captain upgrade and decent schedule. That's all.

Quick upgrades don’t last forever and if you go to any airline for the only reason of a “quick upgrade” then I would say that is very foolish. Just relax and go with the flow bros.

We’re a long way off from the “can’t grow anymore” phase. I don’t think anyone really cares whether the extra airframes have all the bells and whistles or are used airbuses either. What matters is that smart growth means a healthy company and good things for the pilot group. It’s really that simple. You’re trying to drop this stressing out angle on people, and I haven’t seen a single person wigging out over growth on the line.

We’re a small, growth oriented airline. It’s natural that growth is what we talk about. Maybe one day we can haggle over new routes to Asia like a legacy, but right now that’s what we talk about. And we’rr kinda at the phase where orders need to be placed and announced to garner investment while ensuring airframes show up in a timely manner to continue growth.

Enjoying the ride and talking about new air frames aren’t mutually exclusive ideas.

I dabbled in a few business classes at the community college :p But I do know that a new fleet type (mx parts, cross-training mx, training pilots, lost utilization from plane swaps and crew swaps, etc) is a whole new cost structure that Spirit isn't ready for, nor competent enough to take on. There's a reason why SWA was very successful for so long (and still mostly is), and it wasn't just fuel hedging, 1 fleet type is probably the most cost-advantage way to operate, and Spirit screwed the pooch on that one. (unless they have something in the works to obtain more Airbus)

DFWFLYBOY I think your right. Mgmt screwed the pooch and now two options. Buy another type or be like Fred and Lamont and become scrappers looking for Airbuses on the side of the road bit by bit.
Just call us Sanford and Son Air.

I guess it should also be noted that there are other places to get Airbuses other than directly from Airbus. Perhaps more of like we did with the Mexico 319s in the mean time to “fill the gap” giggity.

I didn't say "quick." I don't care about quick. I just want to actually upgrade some day. And our pilot group is young enough that if we stop growing I won't upgrade for twenty years or more.

We will for sure grow. It’s just a matter of how. Don’t worry about upgrades. It’ll happen. Spirit won’t stagnate. They can’t afford to.

So when I came to Spirit I knew how many planes they had on order and calculated that if they didn’t add more I could still upgrade. I’m all about another aircraft order but I wouldn’t come here now with the hope of another aircraft order we’re just as likely to merge as we are get another aircraft order....


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JB and Air Canada are looking to sell 80+ E190s.... Actually, with its lowish order backlog, the updated E2 could make sense for connecting smaller markets (although I would much prefer the CSeries/A220).

I would prefer the A319 NEO.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/spirit-airlines-ceo-says-talking-153852224.html?.tsrc=applewf

For what it’s worth

same:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...us-acquisition

How about instead of new jets they break us off a piece in the form of $30-50k profit sharing checks like Delta and united get

negotiate that in the next CBA. they'll never pay you a dime that isn't in the CBA.

With current order backlogs, it may take 3-4 years at least to get a new airplane (unless you use the more expensive lessors). Both Boeing and Airbus have longer backlogs than Bombardier/Airbus and Embraer. Will be interesting to see what shakes out - hopefully sooner than later.