They aren't that old. They just need new paint and new interiors. Next time you have a United Airbus driver on the JS ask him/her if they think it's old compared to their 320's.

If we're going to keep them they need to sent though a refurb program at the very least. It's an extra 20 minutes checking all the MEL/CDL/NEF items.

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I'd recommend you read it once again. I mean, it's pretty clear but I've been wrong before.

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Yep, I misread it. It does say 2 Neo’s and 4 more CEOs Q4. My bad.

It's alright, I'm left handed too [emoji16]. But add 2 NEO's 4Q18 + 5 NEO's 1Q19. So, 7 additional NEO's (+9 A319's not being returned anymore) to the "old" fleet plan. That's how I read it.

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Keeping the A319's is good news. They can be put into the smaller markets.

FYI - the CS300 CASM is apparently 25% lower than the A319 CASM. That was a primary motivator for Delta to order the CSeries vs more A319/20s.

You sure are selling the C series hard today lol. The primary motivator for Delta was that they got them for more than half off sticker price lolz.

True - but that was expected as a launch customer. The operating economics were too compelling to ignore - and with fuel prices rising again we’ll see if others notice.

I wonder if they are done until 2021 and beyond. We only wanted 5-6% extra growth per previous investor presentations and they just increased the fleet plan by 10%.

What happened between when this interview happened and the investor call this week?

https://airlinerwatch.com/spirit-airlines-to-buy-regional-jets-to-fill-the-gap-in-barely-served-routes/

Obviously the need to serve secondary routes still exists. There are plenty of underserved markets with decent populations not served by Spirit. Clearly Spirit does not rely on regional feed - so, an alternative would be to use efficient 100-120 seat jets to serve those markets (eg Des Moines, Spokane, Tucson, Baton Rouge, Syracuse, Burlington, Grand Rapids, Little Rock, Colorado Springs, Harrisburg, Greenville/Spartanburg, Billings, Fresno, etc.) profitably...

I suspect another poster may be right. Spirit waited too long to grab a large number of bus slots and is stretching out its fleet plan and snagging the odd 320 here and there until they can place a proper order.

The Farnborough Airshow in the UK takes place in June, and the Airbus/Bombardier JV should be finalized by then. Perhaps we’ll hear something then with the typical Airshow dealmaking.... Who knows, if the price is right, maybe a combo Airbus/CSeries deal? You never know...

Just stop.

No thanks. Last time I checked this was an open forum. Quit being a closed-minded, uninformed cyber bully.

They paid under $20m sticker is $80m. It was such a "good deal" Bombardier was sued for dumping.

But it’s a game changer! Delta should have paid $160m easy! Lol I didn’t realize they got that good of deal.

What about a 737 and e190 deal since Boeing and Embraer are in merger talks.

I wonder what will happen with the Virgin/Alaska merger? Will they convert to an all Boeing fleet? What will become of Virgins Airbuses? Will those be Airbuses be ripe for the snagging? Just a thought.

The buses will be kept until the leases are up, and then they are spoken for as other airlines have already laid claim to them.

That answers that! Thanks!

Nothing's spoken for until it's parked on the ramp. United was taking 19 or 20 of our 319's, it was a "done deal". However, here we are, and they just became ours permanently.

Nobody knows where airplanes are going, least of all, pilots.

Yes, it could all change. Setting aside the fact that anything CAN happen....other airlines already have first dibs on them.

Undisclosed order of 33 A319neo's on the Airbus orderbook
Orders and deliveries

Christ.....You guys are way too bored.
It will happen...
We just dont know what "It" is, or when it will happen.

It already happened.

It was WiFi.

Move along...

True story! The whole production was on the brink of ending abruptly. Bombardier was all over the media saying it was about to go bankrupt since Rah backed out and didn't have the scratch the rev promised they would. Go back and watch the videos of the C-Series unveiling in Indy. Then read the articles that followed. These guys at Delta are fn Jedis with money. It was very interesting how it all unfolded. Delta, like Emirates w 380 came in after they manufactures said, "we are shutting the line down if we cannot get orders." Lifeline Tossed! This reminded me..I haven't heard much about the MRJ or that Russian thing that flew into a mountain in a while. Gonna go check it out.. Also, congrats to you guys, and your new CBA. News of expansion and growth at every level above the regionals is wonderful. Finally got out after a decade myself. And thank you again for the ride out of Bee Wii few months ago. Was one of the most pleasant jumpseat rides I've ever had.

Is this a non-issue or do people still think another airplane order is likely/possible for growth?

Well, if you listen to the know it all chest thumpers, we have "hired our last captain!"
They also said that a few years ago...
We are still upgrading captains!
So, I bet there will be an order.
Maybe not now, maybe not fall, but there will be. As long as the uppers can find a place to make money with them, they will keep increasing the route structure.

Spirit needs to grow 15%ish year over year for the model to keep working as intended. Can’t do that with a finite fleet plan. There will either be a new airplane order, a merger or a merger with someone who has more Airbus slots.

First of all management has a plan. Manufactures are bending over to sell Spirit aircraft. I ran into to Ted 2 weeks ago and he said Boeing is VERY VERY aggressively pursuing us. Buy 2 get one free is the current deal. They want us to swing to all 737. Airbus has already done their song and dance, we have orders now that go to 176 airframes. A200's? is what they are calling the C series now. ERJ190 Super Heavy? Spirit is currently crunching numbers! Stand by for the order. Ted said it's coming. He also clearly pointed out people get fired for getting this one wrong! :eek:

I’d be curious to see how Boeing thinks they can squeeze 230 pax into a 737. Max 10 maybe?

I wish Airbus would launch the proposed A322. Basically a stretched A321 NEO.

New wing, motors and undercarriage notwithstanding. Still, it’d probably be a winner.

I'd be happy with an order of 300 of those. With the new wing I would think it would have much improved range.

That would be about the last I would like to see. A321 at max gross:
Tailstrike magnet, Green dot 245kts, max recommended altitude FL320. That thing needs a bigger wing as it is. Also turn times are getting longer and longer with single aisle/narrow door and 230 pax.

Yes, might work if they are planning bigger wing, still don't like the boarding part...

Nerd Alert...what’s the uncompressed/compresses pitch attitude!

Another nerd beat me.

According to the manager of MX in PHL, a new AC order to add a new fleet type in the 319 size is a certainty this year. You know how rumors go.......