I wonder if we might gamble on something like a 330 given our affinity for heading south. Or if we’ll just wait on Airbus to get the NEO right and then try it with a 321 LR.

FWIW, Bendo came into our NH class and the question was asked about a new a/c order and if Spirit would consider a second type. His response was that they have looked at all options and a second type was certainly a viable option. He claims that when “ordering 100-200 airframes, the cost of operating a second type is minimal in the grand scheme of things”. This was about 8 months ago.

It sounds like he's been tag-teamed by an airframer sales rep and an accountant who has no actual flying experience...

Teddy talks about the next 3-5 years. Narrow body and no Hawaii.

https://vimeo.com/291510132

1. I’m pretty sure the interviewer was crushing on Ted

2. How can these investment groups be so ignorant? She asked about slowing growth in 2019. Hello those deliveries have been set for five years. Noted: Ted said as much in his answer.

3. Asked about attracting pilots (pilot shortage). Are they really so stupid they just believe what they are told by A4A? This pilot shortage thing really gained momentum so much it can’t be stopped I guess. There is no shortage. Any operation that pays doesn’t have a problem. Because there is a shortage of family doctors doesn’t mean there is a shortage of doctors. It just means there is no money in family practice so docs go into specialties. Same amount of docs coming out of med school. Same goes for pilots. Is there shortage of investment groups? Seems to be no end of bullshiiiit conferences of idiots that do nothing but shuffle money around and create zero goods or services.

According to a mechanic in FLL switching from the 1000's to the leaps is possible even with the current NEO aircraft we have now but it would probably be a pain in the butt. So really the NEO's issues aren't on airbus its with the engine providers. Though I haven't really heard of any issues on the leap variant?

LEAP has not had problems that I've heard of but they are less fuel efficient.

Are we still having problems with the NEO? I haven't heard anything lately.

You're right. It is in engine manufacturer thing. I was making a broad statement. I imagine the that we'd have already made the switch if Pratt weren't bending over backward to make their launch customer whole with downed airplanes.

I'm curious how much less efficient a Leap is. Seems like a plane that is still far more fuel efficient than the CEO's is a better option than an even more fuel efficient plant that breaks a lot. Then again, Pratt will eventually get the motors right. Usually happens when pushing the boundaries of modern technology.

Nor have I, but its probably relative. Engines that now start shedding parts at 2-3000 hours compared to 600 seem suddenly reliable. Maybe the issues have been largely solved.

What are you talking about? Spirit’s whole business model is based on large city point to point service with a couple small vacation destinations (MYR/ACY) and they’re printing money.


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F9 guy here, just to ease your curiosity our neos seem to average around 5000 pounds an hour in cruise. Give or a take a couple hundred pounds.

And ours average about 2200 per side or 4400 pounds per hour give or take a couple hundred pounds. Which is the difference between a geared turbofan and a non-geared turbofan.

Please feel free to to correct me, I recall our NEO's running about 2200 to 2000 lbs/hr per side CI 25. The time to climb is better than the Classic. The NEO engine issues are gone other than the Hoover sucking sound when you power up! LOL

Who's Hoover and how do you know him?

Yes or no for an announcement in 2019? Will we see yellow Embraer E2s, A220s or more A319/20/21s added?

Bob was on the plane the other day and said if he was starting an Airline today he'd be a buyer of the A220! Take if for what it's worth. Hum.....

Interesting. Maybe he’s been talking to David Neeleman.... I guess Bob could ask for a package deal with Airbus now.

NEO issues gone?
Offfffddaaaa. ..every mx I talk to say they are junk. GE has mx dialing up the ff to keep temps lower ...... less efficient. ..but fewer parts wearing out fast

Pratt NEO’s sure look good. Keeps mx busy swapping out engines. Good practice.

More CEOs coming... no 220s... lots more of what we have...

Let’s hope!!

Repo’d one the other day for an engine swap and there were 4 other neo’s On the ramp when we pulled in.

Few appendix H meetings ago...our commander n chief said Boeing is pushing really hard. TC said we are looking at ALL options. Gonna be an exciting year.

Pushing What, the E190 E2? Boeing now has a relationship with Embraer and they need orders. Lets hope we don’t get RJ’s. An order for more A320 aircraft would be our best move.

Santa Claus said it’s more Airbuses. The elves at the North Pole are still trying to get things in order so they will be a little behind schedule.

Definitely not the E2, management confirmed that ac won’t work. Boeing literally is saying buy 2 get 1 free on the 737.

Yup! 901 just got another new engine. Clearly the issues aren't fixed. Plus the amount of fume events. 902 has fume issues. CP told me 3 more NEO's coming in January. Oh boy!

Actually, with the delivery of the new tails this month, the current Neo’s are being taken off the line to have their engine bleed air systems modified to fix the bearing clearance issues. New NEOs come modified from the factory.

Or so I had heard.

So how long have we had these things on property? Two years? 3? And now this is the second time the 5 of them are being grounded for SERIOUS mechanical issues... what a piece of Labrador excrement...why can’t we just clear all the orders for IAE airframes...fuel savings? Yes we’re saving a ton on fuel when they’re all parked in DFW

Because Pratt is making us whole for the lost revenue for parked NEO’s, and it seems that the issue is largely resolved with the bleed air mod.

Yeah because a few dik's here on the internet are the holy grail of knowledge on the subject.....

Been hearing a few from the used market may be added to the fleet.

Most likely. However, Spirit will be competing with Allegiant, UAL, Easyjet and all of the low cost Chinese carriers for those airframes.

No. We won’t. There are quite a few slots coming open as various carriers cease operations.

You mean like the new NEOs that we are getting? Those were already painted in Tianjin Airlines colors, then all of a sudden Spirit is getting them.

IIRC 909 is a repaint.

906 & 913 for sure, based on planespotter.

I'm still amazed that we still have a handful of pilots out there that still defend the NEO's. Every time I walk down the jetway the first thing I look at is what engines are hanging off the wings and when I see the the classic engines I'm relieved. I'd rather be flying around in a Turbo-supercharged twin bonanza,... least likely to have to shut one down than a NEO . At least they are quiet and don't burn much gas. LMAO!

How about a CEO aircraft? Never had any issues with the NEO but I did have a failure in a CEO. Most of us have never had NEO issues so you should be able to quantify why not everyone thinks it's the end of the earth.