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06-08-2018 | 03:52 AM
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But....but.....I have 4 days off between pairings that’s all that counts.
. It was stupid to keep the four days, if we had lobbied for a higher number of min days off the problem fixes itself. My wife works 3 on 4 off, not bc of the contract saying 4 days off (different airline) but bc of min days off guarantee for the month.....Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
06-08-2018 | 05:37 AM
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But....but.....I have 4 days off between pairings that’s all that counts. . It was stupid to keep the four days, if we had lobbied for a higher number of min days off the problem fixes itself. My wife works 3 on 4 off, not bc of the contract saying 4 days off (different airline) but bc of min days off guarantee for the month.....
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. It was stupid to keep the four days, if we had lobbied for a higher number of min days off the problem fixes itself. My wife works 3 on 4 off, not bc of the contract saying 4 days off (different airline) but bc of min days off guarantee for the month.....Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
06-08-2018 | 06:59 AM
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Is the 5hr duty period only applied to the trip, not individual days (3 duty periods equals min 15hrs credit, but a 3-period trip that credits 3hrs one period but 16hrs total means you don't get the extra 2 hours)?
06-08-2018 | 07:51 AM
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06-08-2018 | 08:02 AM
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Did you get a duty rig, as well (2:1 or better), or just trip at 3.5?
Is the 5hr duty period only applied to the trip, not individual days (3 duty periods equals min 15hrs credit, but a 3-period trip that credits 3hrs one period but 16hrs total means you don't get the extra 2 hours)?
Is the 5hr duty period only applied to the trip, not individual days (3 duty periods equals min 15hrs credit, but a 3-period trip that credits 3hrs one period but 16hrs total means you don't get the extra 2 hours)?
And yes your example is correct on the 5hr duty period average
06-08-2018 | 08:21 AM
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Yes I agree that our rigs could be better. Having a real min day would be a massive improvement.
06-08-2018 | 08:40 AM
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it's not a min day off, it's an average max workday per lines
say there are 10 lines and the average is 13 max workdays. 8 lines have 13 workdays. can one line have 18 workdays? sure, but then the last line can only work 8 days so it can average 13.
make sense?
say there are 10 lines and the average is 13 max workdays. 8 lines have 13 workdays. can one line have 18 workdays? sure, but then the last line can only work 8 days so it can average 13.
make sense?
06-08-2018 | 08:44 AM
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Another thing to add is the trip/paring construction is huge with PBS. Efficient trips are everything. You get more days off for the line holder, more reserves because more of the scheduled flights are covered by line holders thus making more opportunities to drop a trip due to the reserve grid being green. Hopefully management lets the scheduling committee have some say in the pairing construction and (crossing my fingers) hopefully not every pairing is built to the minimum rig.
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Unfortunately the number one parameter for the optimizer (from what I was told) is to "limit soft time," and not to build efficient pairings. Apparently Crew Planning doesn't care about efficiency. Not sure how this will enter the mix with PBS, but if that soft time limit parameter remains at #1, how will the end result look? Will a majority of the trips default to the rigs, or will the rigs be such that the optimizer will need to be coded different? I don't know and look to the ones that have worked under a PBS system. All I do know is that if Crew Planning can save a $ over efficiency (sometimes even safety ala +1 redeye legs) then they will do that.
06-08-2018 | 08:56 AM
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Do you guys have any language that guarantees a line to a certain percentage of pilots in each base? The reason I ask is that your 4 days off between flying language used to be managements problem; they had to build the lines. Now, it’s the pilots problem. If the system can’t build a line with blocks of 4 days off then you’ll get dumped to composite lines or reserve if you don’t have composite lines. The only other option is to waive your guaranteed 4 days off.
06-08-2018 | 09:03 AM
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Unfortunately the number one parameter for the optimizer (from what I was told) is to "limit soft time," and not to build efficient pairings. Apparently Crew Planning doesn't care about efficiency. Not sure how this will enter the mix with PBS, but if that soft time limit parameter remains at #1, how will the end result look? Will a majority of the trips default to the rigs, or will the rigs be such that the optimizer will need to be coded different? I don't know and look to the ones that have worked under a PBS system. All I do know is that if Crew Planning can save a $ over efficiency (sometimes even safety ala +1 redeye legs) then they will do that.
You would think that more efficiency benefits everyone but who knows...
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