Better to leave those in open time so hopefully someone on the x/y list gets a shot at 200%

 

“Hopefully” doesn’t work for me. My goal at Spirit is to maximize my pay while at the same time maximize my days off. If I work for only 12 days and net 75 hours then that’s 18 other days that they can “hopefully” dole out 200%. It all comes out in the wash. They have X amount of flying and Y amount of pilots. It’s the same if I maximize my days off. I’m just asking for the pairings to be more productive.

If you’re on reserve would you rather come in and do a turn or do an overnight? If you’re a commuter I would guess overnight. Saves on a hotel/crash pad.

 

Welcome to Spirit!
We have a Collective Bargaining Agreement here. Learn to maximize your bang for the buck within the constraints of the CBA. You’ll find ways to exploit the agreement to accomplish your stated goal without betraying your union brothers and sisters, and as a group we will enforce compliance from the company.

 

FAR compliance is a must of course, but so is CBA compliance.

 

TWIRI according to the CBA within 3 hours they can do what they want, so adding a pairing to you pairing is CBA compliant. The 2 check-ins only refers to check in after a rest, no rest no check in.

Having said that, They can only do that a exhausting X/Y, so only do it for 200%.

 

Welcome, honestly I hope you keep your SWA app updated. In my time here I have averaged around 50 hours block, for 80 hours of pay, BUT average 15 days off. If you want 80 block 100 pay 18 day off, guess what...

 

I don’t want 80 block for 100 pay. Never said that and never hinted at it.

 

It would be nice if the CBA constrained the company while allowing us some flexibility. Again, just like the 29 in 7 company restraint allowing us 30 if we choose.

If you had your choice would you rather have a 4 day at 200% or a turn? As for me I’d rather have a 4 day at 200%. Right now I need 4, four day trips to get to 72 hours. If I could do 3 four day trips for the same credit then that would be an extra 4day in open time that would possibly go for 200%.

I’ll quit beating my drum. We just think differently. I think we want the same conclusion and to accomplish the same goal with the CBA we just think differently and see this scenario through different lenses. I think my way would actually increase the chance of an X Y list call.

 

We don’t think entirely different. I agree with you in favoring efficient trips. I don’t even want to drive to the airport, let alone hop on a commute to report for a 4 day worth 14-18 hours. That’s garbage! I prefer 3 days worth 21 hours or 4 days worth 28. Here’s the deal though, we just amended this CBA and it’s not changing for a while. It’s good to contemplate future improvements because the cycle of negotiations repeats itself. For now though our CBA rules over how the company deals with us and how we deal with them.

 

Yes you’d be doing one less 4 day trip but you’d be covering the same amount of block hours. It’s a zero affect on open time.

To your earlier point, they do toy with building those 5-6hr turns to the back end of 4 day trips occasionally.

The byproduct is less turn lines for those senior and used to getting turns. Also, more junior crews flying to unfamiliar challenging airports day 4 after a very early show and a sit as opposed to a well rested senior crew that does it everyday during bankers hours. Lastly, any delay taken on that first leg in the morning translated into legality issues for the crew and often pulling that last turn and scrambling to cover the last turn at 200%. To the company that’s another delay and soft time, both things they don’t want.

I don’t watch the pairings as much these days so I don’t know if they still play with this much or if they decided to go one way or the other. It used to be one month many turn lines then poof the next month they pushed all that flying to still unproductive 4 days but the last day is 3 legs worth 8hrs. Those months everyone got unproductive 4 days instead of just some.