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06-10-2018 | 11:10 AM
#43
captain scarlet
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4 days OFF is useless and we lost negotiating capital, by keeping it.
Management did not care, because they knew it would have no affect.
As correctly noted above,
PBS will force most middle to lower seniority bidders to WAIVE 4 days off to attain more desirable results.
Surprised the NC did not realize that...
Only very top seniority (10-15%) will get most requests.
I truly hope those 4 days are important to the senior folks.
4 days OFF is useless and we lost negotiating capital, by keeping it.
Management did not care, because they knew it would have no affect.
As correctly noted above,
PBS will force most middle to lower seniority bidders to WAIVE 4 days off to attain more desirable results.
Surprised the NC did not realize that...
Only very top seniority (10-15%) will get most requests.
I truly hope those 4 days are important to the senior folks.
06-10-2018 | 12:16 PM
#46
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2018
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I understand that, but as it is now you have the 4 days off and you are stuck with the 6 day stretches or trips you don’t like, unless you are really senior to get what you want. I’m skeptical about Pbs but saying the 4 days off is useless is not really true.
06-10-2018 | 12:19 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
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Unfortunately the number one parameter for the optimizer (from what I was told) is to "limit soft time," and not to build efficient pairings. Apparently Crew Planning doesn't care about efficiency. Not sure how this will enter the mix with PBS, but if that soft time limit parameter remains at #1, how will the end result look? Will a majority of the trips default to the rigs, or will the rigs be such that the optimizer will need to be coded different? I don't know and look to the ones that have worked under a PBS system. All I do know is that if Crew Planning can save a $ over efficiency (sometimes even safety ala +1 redeye legs) then they will do that.
Looking at current trips most will pay 2 to 4 hours more with the 3.5/1 trip rig. The way I see it is either the pairings in pbs should pay more which means you can get to guarantee in fewer days or if they wanted to keep the same pay for pairings that we have now then I still am home more. I would think the 3.5:1 trip rig will have the most effect. It should make it possible to hit guarantee in 1 to 2 fewer days worked a month. Me personally all I want it to do my 72 hours and be done. Anything they try to build above that I’m dropping.
06-10-2018 | 12:54 PM
#48
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Right. The point I was making is if you do not INTENTIONALLY bid reserve in PBS, even the ****tiest PBS system CANNOT give you reserve if you fall within the lineholder threshold.
So when someone up there said "system won't build you a full line because of 4 days off, now you fall to reserve or relief" is just an inherently misunderstanding of PBS and it explains why so many here are afraid of it.
So when someone up there said "system won't build you a full line because of 4 days off, now you fall to reserve or relief" is just an inherently misunderstanding of PBS and it explains why so many here are afraid of it.
06-11-2018 | 08:45 AM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2008
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I guess I am surprised they wouldn’t want efficient trips. I would think efficiency would help them in the goal of fewer pilots. The more less efficient pairings they have the more pilots they need.
Looking at current trips most will pay 2 to 4 hours more with the 3.5/1 trip rig. The way I see it is either the pairings in pbs should pay more which means you can get to guarantee in fewer days or if they wanted to keep the same pay for pairings that we have now then I still am home more. I would think the 3.5:1 trip rig will have the most effect. It should make it possible to hit guarantee in 1 to 2 fewer days worked a month. Me personally all I want it to do my 72 hours and be done. Anything they try to build above that I’m dropping.
Looking at current trips most will pay 2 to 4 hours more with the 3.5/1 trip rig. The way I see it is either the pairings in pbs should pay more which means you can get to guarantee in fewer days or if they wanted to keep the same pay for pairings that we have now then I still am home more. I would think the 3.5:1 trip rig will have the most effect. It should make it possible to hit guarantee in 1 to 2 fewer days worked a month. Me personally all I want it to do my 72 hours and be done. Anything they try to build above that I’m dropping.
06-11-2018 | 10:18 AM
#50
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I’m relatively new to Spirit. I had a 4 day trip that the last day was 1 leg back to domicile and I’m finished at 10am. There was a turn at 11 that would have added about 5 hours to my 4 day making it a a 26 hour 4 day. All legal with the FARs. In my mind I’m thinking 3 of these and I’ve got 75 hours with 18 days off. But I found out that our contract states that I must have 10 hours rest between pairings and or show times. I am not allowed to enhance my schedule. In my opinion the company could have easily made that a single pairing but for some reason don’t. I wish the language in the contract would have allowed us to pickup that extra time while forbidding the company from assigning it. Like the 29 in 7 company restriction where we can do 30 in 7. Maybe we can get that in the PBS LOA?
In reality, they should just be able to adjust your pairing and add it, So it's not 2 check-ins. It's 100% legal per FARs
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