DoesSpirit discriminate against military guys
#21
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
So you are suggesting that Spirit openly didn’t hire this pilot because of their military status?
Here’s another take: I understand that Southwest routinely asks pilots if they called in sick to make it to the interview. They then call their HR to see if they were telling the truth. They don’t like people who abuse sick time, and check for integrity.
This seems similar. If you are on MIL leave, that time is to perform MIL functions, NOT shop around for a new CIV job.
Here’s another take: I understand that Southwest routinely asks pilots if they called in sick to make it to the interview. They then call their HR to see if they were telling the truth. They don’t like people who abuse sick time, and check for integrity.
This seems similar. If you are on MIL leave, that time is to perform MIL functions, NOT shop around for a new CIV job.
Date of Hire
Date of Separation
Beginning Wage
Ending Wage
Job Title
..... and is most definitely NOT going to take a random phone call asking about someone's sick leave usage
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Had a friend interview with Spirit recently. He is a military pilot and a part 121 pilot. He said the interview went great except the head of HR scrutinized him for being on military leave. He said she was very aggressive and annoyed that he would work for his 121 carrier and then go on military leave for a year. He said he explained that it wasn't meant to be for a year but he had been extended for circumstances out of his control and he was about to return to his 121 company. A few days later we was sent an email saying he did not receive the job. He is really bummed because he was really excited to work for Spirit.
I Understand that 121 carriers don't like guys to drop mil leave for extended periods of time, but is HR allowed to ask these questions during the interview? Does this sound like discrimination? Just like HR cannot ask a female if she has ever taken maturity leave or if she is planning on getting pregnant and taking maturity leave.
What do you guys/gals think?
I Understand that 121 carriers don't like guys to drop mil leave for extended periods of time, but is HR allowed to ask these questions during the interview? Does this sound like discrimination? Just like HR cannot ask a female if she has ever taken maturity leave or if she is planning on getting pregnant and taking maturity leave.
What do you guys/gals think?
Last edited by Alphafloor; 07-04-2018 at 09:39 AM.
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 887
Likes: 0
You know if the Guard/Reserve brings you on for a couple months....you get to use your leave (vacation) that you've earned. Some of you guys think he's criminally insane to take a day off to go to an interview. I don't see any problem with that. Explaining why you've worked somewhere for 4 years and only have 101 hours would be the issue.......
#24
On Reserve
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Had a friend interview with Spirit recently. He is a military pilot and a part 121 pilot. He said the interview went great except the head of HR scrutinized him for being on military leave. He said she was very aggressive and annoyed that he would work for his 121 carrier and then go on military leave for a year. He said he explained that it wasn't meant to be for a year but he had been extended for circumstances out of his control and he was about to return to his 121 company. A few days later we was sent an email saying he did not receive the job. He is really bummed because he was really excited to work for Spirit.
I Understand that 121 carriers don't like guys to drop mil leave for extended periods of time, but is HR allowed to ask these questions during the interview? Does this sound like discrimination? Just like HR cannot ask a female if she has ever taken maturity leave or if she is planning on getting pregnant and taking maturity leave.
What do you guys/gals think?
I Understand that 121 carriers don't like guys to drop mil leave for extended periods of time, but is HR allowed to ask these questions during the interview? Does this sound like discrimination? Just like HR cannot ask a female if she has ever taken maturity leave or if she is planning on getting pregnant and taking maturity leave.
What do you guys/gals think?
I highly doubt he didn't get the job because he was on military leave. I am sure there was something else, but if HR was openly critical about him being on mil leave than that is how he perceived the interview went. It doesn't matter if HR had a good reason not to hire him, if there is a small amount of perception that discrimination took place than HR can be in the wrong.
An option is to contact the Employer Support for Guard/Reserve (ESGR). They are an educational group (not enforcement group) that will talk to the HR at Spirit about USERRA Laws. And Yes USERRA does protect and military member from being discriminated for military affiliation during an initial hiring process. I doubt anything will come of it, but it may prevent HR from asking those line of questions in future interviews.
#25
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 336
Likes: 2
You know if the Guard/Reserve brings you on for a couple months....you get to use your leave (vacation) that you've earned. Some of you guys think he's criminally insane to take a day off to go to an interview. I don't see any problem with that. Explaining why you've worked somewhere for 4 years and only have 101 hours would be the issue.......
#26
Line Holder
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 388
Likes: 9
From: A320 CA
Sandi and her team do a phenomenal job filling the flight deck with pilots that make my trips safe and enjoyable. This is a Herculean task, considering she’s managed to quadruple our flight staffing in less than seven years with no immediate end in sight... all with ULCC minded limited resources.
#27
In plain English, to "discriminate" means to distinguish, single out, or make a distinction. In everyday life, when faced with more than one option, we discriminate in arriving at almost every decision we make. But in the context of civil rights law, unlawful discrimination refers to unfair or unequal treatment of an individual (or group) based on certain characteristics, including:
Age
Disability
Ethnicity
Gender
Marital status
National origin
Race,
Religion, and
Sexual orientation.
Lawful vs. Unlawful Discrimination
Not all types of discrimination will violate federal and/or state laws that prohibit discrimination. Some types of unequal treatment are perfectly legal, and cannot form the basis for a civil rights case alleging discrimination.
........
Unfortunately for your "friend", an airline choosing to discriminate between a military member with good judgment and a military member with pi$$ poor judgment is not in the least illegal.
#28
Thread Starter
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
It is ABSOLUTELY discrimination. By DEFINITION:
In plain English, to "discriminate" means to distinguish, single out, or make a distinction. In everyday life, when faced with more than one option, we discriminate in arriving at almost every decision we make. But in the context of civil rights law, unlawful discrimination refers to unfair or unequal treatment of an individual (or group) based on certain characteristics, including:
Age
Disability
Ethnicity
Gender
Marital status
National origin
Race,
Religion, and
Sexual orientation.
Lawful vs. Unlawful Discrimination
Not all types of discrimination will violate federal and/or state laws that prohibit discrimination. Some types of unequal treatment are perfectly legal, and cannot form the basis for a civil rights case alleging discrimination.
........
Unfortunately for your "friend", an airline choosing to discriminate between a military member with good judgment and a military member with pi$$ poor judgment is not in the least illegal.
In plain English, to "discriminate" means to distinguish, single out, or make a distinction. In everyday life, when faced with more than one option, we discriminate in arriving at almost every decision we make. But in the context of civil rights law, unlawful discrimination refers to unfair or unequal treatment of an individual (or group) based on certain characteristics, including:
Age
Disability
Ethnicity
Gender
Marital status
National origin
Race,
Religion, and
Sexual orientation.
Lawful vs. Unlawful Discrimination
Not all types of discrimination will violate federal and/or state laws that prohibit discrimination. Some types of unequal treatment are perfectly legal, and cannot form the basis for a civil rights case alleging discrimination.
........
Unfortunately for your "friend", an airline choosing to discriminate between a military member with good judgment and a military member with pi$$ poor judgment is not in the least illegal.
#29
Line Holder
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,753
Likes: 20
Like others have said, your "friend" is assuming that he didn't get the job because of his military status. How do you know that he didn't messed up on the other parts of the interview? I would say that 50% of my interview was graded from the panel and the other 50% was from the admin girls who were observing us while others were doing the panel. Maybe he said the wrong thing when he thought no one was looking. You seem to be focus on this legality issue, however if you know anything about Spirit's HR. You would know that they do great job of hiring the people who would be a great fit for this pilot group (your "friend" wasn't one of them), and military of not has nothing to do with it.
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 692
Likes: 0
Like others have said, your "friend" is assuming that he didn't get the job because of his military status. How do you know that he didn't messed up on the other parts of the interview? I would say that 50% of my interview was graded from the panel and the other 50% was from the admin girls who were observing us while others were doing the panel. Maybe he said the wrong thing when he thought no one was looking. You seem to be focus on this legality issue, however if you know anything about Spirit's HR. You would know that they do great job of hiring the people who would be a great fit for this pilot group (your "friend" wasn't one of them), and military of not has nothing to do with it.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post



