We were all new at one point, that’s a given. BUT, many of us cut our teeth at the regionals or other places for many many years before even getting a shot at flying for a major. That experience is invaluable. It’s not tribal knowledge, or some other blather, it’s just experience. Doing your experience building at a major, instead of at a regional is something many of us Captains thought we left behind when we vacated our Captain jobs at the regionals. Teaching 20-something’s the ins and outs of the 121 world is different when you’re flying a 50-seater to Killeen or Knoxville vs. a A321 with 200+ pax 5 FAs to San Jose Costa Rica…. And, many of us are just getting fatigued of it.

So, I’m with Cinco…. I’ll set the brake and take a breath and let the other guy catch up.

I know my job, and do my job well. Could always do better though, and constantly work to do just that. I would also never look at someone and say "do your job", regardless of seat. Is that like a captain ego thing that some of you guys have? Should I stare at you when you miss something and wait for you to catch it? Let me guess...that NEVER happens? You guys are probably the ones who yell at FAs, gate agents and rampers too.

This is a major airline, not summer camp.

I am not arguing this at all. I don't think anyone should have to teach the ins and outs of the 121 world. Its the attitude I have a problem with. Setting the brake to catch a breath and letting everyone catch up is a far different attitude than staring at someone or saying "do your job".

Well your attitude sucks.

How many “participation trophies” did you get growing up?

This is a career, not flight school. Captains are not flight instructors.
You’re 100% right a CA has the right, the responsibility, to look at the FO and tell them to “do your job” if they aren’t doing your job. Hurt feeling? Who cares. FOs have No Fly Lists, have at it.

It’s very simple, show up prepared, done.

Exactly zero participation trophies. I am probably a lot older than you are assuming. I was given nothing in life and worked hard for everything....including my aviation career. If you'd like to have a conversation about what I've put into this, I am happy to do that with you. I may be relatively new the 121 world but I am not new at life. Not once did I claim that captains should be flight instructors, or hand holders. I expect everyone to do their job...I'm just not a d*ck about it. This attitude is the reason FOs have no fly lists. In my experience, people like that are disgruntled for other reasons....Legacy not calling? If you have a problem with the experience level your airline is hiring, move on.....simple as that.

Haha..I was wondering when the regional pilot would drop the "legacy not calling" line. You know what the best part is? When I have to set the parking brake because you cant find the ramp frequency, my hourly rate keeps ticking. Once you get your time and apply to a legacy, just know the CAs at those legacy airlines wont hold your hand either, and dont think for a second a DAL or AAL CA gives two craps about how you feel if you keep messing up.

So the answer is, no they are not. Got it. I feel like you are having a hard time comprehending here. I'll say it again....I don't think anyone should have to have their hand held. I don't believe in "participation trophies" and and I don't do well with lazy anything. I love how you categorize a "regional pilot". Like a regional pilot is soooooooo much lower than you. Very telling. I may end up a Spirit, actually. It's on my short list for a number of reasons.....perhaps you'll get the honor of being my first "no fly". Attitude is everything in life, and yours...is awful.

Definitely go to Delta.

Definitely.

Since it’s becoming pretty clear based on your numerous responses in the last 48 hours that you are in fact one of these FOs (despite telling us over and over how it’s not you), how would YOU handle yourself in this situation? Give us a breakdown of the conversation you’d have and how we can make you feel happy and safe enough to want to fly with us again.

I am definitely not one of "these" FOs. I try to be as prepared as possible for each flight. Have I missed things....sure. I am certainly not arrogant enough to claim to be above screwing something up. I am perfectly capable of messing up. I admit it and learn from it if it happens. Let me guess....that doesn't ever happen with you? I think my view from the start has been that there is no reason to be a d*ck in the cockpit. I've also conceded that there is a huge difference in someone with less experience and someone who is just lazy. Judging by the attitude, I doubt there is anything you could do to make me want to fly with you. I greatly appreciate a captain who is knowledgeable and interested in making me a better pilot. I do not appreciate someone who feels they are above another pilot, or demeaning.

Just so I have it straight for my Spirit interview....when they ask "what makes a good captain?", the answer is " someone who stares at their FO until they figure out what they missed, or tells them to "do their job"". Do I have that right?

Don't listen to these fools. 95% of people you fly with here are great, of course there's always the 5% of a$$ clowns and it seems that they're the most vocal on these forums. There's a reason there's always 2 of us in the flight deck, and that's to back each other up.

you're whiney and emotional.

Hoooooly Moly...be careful what you say! You'll upset the upper classmen (upper classpeople?).

I know it's a small percentage of people who act like this, but it bothers me. If they act like this on here, I am positive they act like it on the flight deck and in my opinion, there is no room for ego and attitude in the cockpit.

Nope, just call out bad behavior when I see it.

I'm with Russs on this one. And BTW, most of the newbies I have flown with are quite good, including the sub-2000 hour specimens.

I cant even blame new guys for being new, not their fault. Hell, the company is now having new hires do their type oral after their sims are completed, because the regulations require 50 hours multi to take the ATP oral, and we are hiring guys with less than 50 hours multi, so they need the sim time to count towards their 50 hours total multi time.

+1. Especially Crjdeuce’s comment.

No offense, but I feel that this industry may not be for you.

Please validate my feelings so that I can feel important.

I love it when they act like they will take their ball and go home

“well spirit was one of the airlines I was considering. Now I’m not so sure you people’s attitudes deserve my talents”

:rolleyes:

"You'll be the first on my No Fly List"...how can I sleep tonight knowing that?! haha

sorry guys I know this is off topic. But is it just me or did APC completely change the mobile version??? This is horrible and I don’t know how to go back to the way it was before. I know there used to be a button at the bottom you could click to go back to the classic version but I don’t see it anymore.

I don’t even know how to make just a normal post…I had to reply to this persons post just to make this post.

If someone could provide me with a link with the classic version or something because I’m not even seeing it under options.

thanks for you help!

*Upperclassmissions

All one word.

I’m glad I’m not the only one. It’s absolutely hideous. Would also love to know if there’s a way to switch back.

Down in the lowest blue line there is a default style box that may work for you…

I said Spirit IS on my short list, not WAS. Comprehension guys, come on...you can do it. I certainly wouldn't let a few A holes ruin where I decide to work. I love the arrogance of thinking YOU have that much impact.

The entire thing is a complete disaster

if you’re on an iPhone, in your address bar tap the aA icon and request desktop website. Looks like they changed it so it’s optimized now. It’s much cleaner and smoother.

I didn’t mention you by name, did I? Comprehension, guy. Not everything is about you. You’re not the first little flower to come meltdown because people didn’t immediately recognize your awesomeness.

It’s going to be ok, Russy. Just because you’re charmin soft now, doesn’t mean we won’t nurture you and love you and build you up the way you deserve. You may think we’re “A-holes” but I think you’re A-mazing! This is your world, we’re all just living in it! Get out there and seize the day, champ!

I love disgruntled pilots. I often wonder what must have happened in your life to make it so miserable. Just don't be a d*ck...it's really not that hard, I promise.

It sucks BIG TIME. Sadly, I dont think the old classic mobile is coming back. Definitely not an option. 😑

Ooph… some doozies from our boy Russ here over the last year or so


and my personal favorite:

Oh Russ, with his life experience and orange smock who was fortunate enough to get hired at an inflection point in the phugoid cycle of the industry is going to advise me on the most egalitarian way to run my cockpit whilst reminding me not to complain too much as it’s really bumming him out. After all, we are still getting paid to fly shiny new jets and if we don’t like the way things are going, we can always just go do something less cool. Like selling building materials. For the life experience.

I do see the self love you possess. Thanks for admitting that.

Do you have Amazon? They sell mirrors really cheap. I’d go buy one if I were you.

Me personally, I’m happy as a clam. Great job. Great pilots to fly with. Happy family.

the fact you think someone is “disgruntled” just because they call you on your BS shows just how entitled and deluded you really are.

the world really does revolve around you doesnt it??

you can have the last word, russy.

DFW base
 

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/...outputType=amp

Looks like Spirit is ramping up DFW, despite the rumors it is shrinking or closing!


Note: the first time I clicked on the link it let me read the whole article, each subsequent time after it turned into a paywall. 🤷‍♂️

Alright guys. It's going too far. I don't know you, and you don't know me. I should not have assumed you were all bad pilots to fly with. It's easy to get sucked into the anonymous internet crap and start arguing with people that you don't know. So, for that, I apologize. I am one of the first people to admit how fortunate I am to have caught the current industry wave, and I know many (most?) of you had to put up with a lot more BS than I did to get where you are. I always have and will always respect the experience that you guys have, and admittedly, I have not seen a lot of the things that probably get old over time. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, and I shouldn't have started crap.

you might be the first person on the Internet to come back and try to turn the temperature down. I respect the heck out of that post. If you need anything at all from info or interview information or study tips, shoot me a PM.

SPIRIT is a fantastic place to work with great people and I have never flown with anybody yet that I would not gladly go fly with again tomorrow

people are going to bust your balls on the Internet because it’s a fun thing to do when you get bored. Truthfully, there’s not anything that anyone here wouldn’t do for you to help you be successful.

Only for Spirit to the post a photo of a Neo missing an engine for the headline...only Spirit

(Smiley N. Pool / Staff Photographer)

Sounds like my code name this summer when I drop all my trips during Florida meltdown season

Thank you, I really appreciate that! Credit to excargodog for helping me to see the error in my ways, so to speak. Everyone I genuinely speak with tells me it is a great place to be with great people.

I can take ball busting as much as I can give it....and you're right...its fun when I'm bored. I don't want to actually p*ss anyone off or make myself sound like a pr*ck though. I can assume you, I am not.

I have a lot to learn still and value the more experienced guys info and advice on here. When the time comes, I may just take you up on that offer!

Sorry to OP for derailing the thread.