Originally Posted by Russs

If its a matter of "someone just doesn't care", then yes, I agree with you. Like I said, maybe I interpreted what you were saying wrong. Nobody, right OR left seat should be along for the ride. It is a professional job and people are expected to know their job, but a "not my job" mentality will get you killed. Explain to me how it is entitlement to expect to work as a crew? Lets be honest, some of the airport charts aren't exactly crystal clear and if you don't have the tribal knowledge, I can see it being missed. NOW.....if we're talking about an experienced FO who should know better but is lazy....then......set the brake and stare. I think we are just looking at it from two different perspectives.

Originally Posted by Russs

If its a matter of "someone just doesn't care", then yes, I agree with you. Like I said, maybe I interpreted what you were saying wrong. Nobody, right OR left seat should be along for the ride. It is a professional job and people are expected to know their job, but a "not my job" mentality will get you killed. Explain to me how it is entitlement to expect to work as a crew? Lets be honest, some of the airport charts aren't exactly crystal clear and if you don't have the tribal knowledge, I can see it being missed. NOW.....if we're talking about an experienced FO who should know better but is lazy....then......set the brake and stare. I think we are just looking at it from two different perspectives.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

With all do respect, we are coming from this from two different places if your profile is correct and you’re 6 months in at your first regional. I’m not saying this as a dig, but it seems like you’re so quick to want to drop the CRMTEM you learned at college, that you didn’t hear a damn word I said, it was made clear about the type of pilot we were talking about.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

See, that’s the entitlement junk right there.

Most of the time I actually brief “ramp is open, so we will call them,” when it’s their leg, they brief. You think it’s “pleasurable” for us? You think any CA would rather have someone who just doesn’t care vs someone solid? You have to be joking.

But that doesn’t even matter. This is a professional flying job, guys demand big money and guys are getting paid well, reaching six figures in their mid 20s and only 4-5 years after doing their first “steep turn”. If you think the job of the CA is to micro manage the right seat and hold their hand through every responsibility of the right seat, well, that ain’t happening. Give tips, help mentor, and help fill in some gaps, absolutely. But this isn’t IOE, this isn’t a guy on high mins, these are a select few who are “along for the ride” and sadly the numbers have increased as NK decides to hire many at first sight.

So yeah, you’re damn right I stop the plane and wait before entering the ramp. I can’t enter the ramp, I’m not working radios, and I can’t spend the entire trip telling the guy next to me what he needs to do, assuming he doesn’t know how to do his job.

Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

It's even better while you are taxing and the FO asks YOU what the ramp frequency is. Like I got them all memorized or something? Look it up like a big boy. Had that on multiple trips now.

Originally Posted by Russs

Well with all DUE respect to you, Sir; I don't know how my tenure in the 121 world is relevant in this scenario. I heard every word you said, which was a reply to posts talking about new guys at Spirit. The same posts talking about the experience level of folks being hired in todays environment. So, my original post was asking if you would really just set the brake and stare at an FO...that FO being one of the new hires this thread has been talking about. CRMTEM is not just "something I learned in college", I'm sorry you feel that way. I do not doubt or question your experience, and would normally look to someone with your (assumed) level of experience to learn from. But, thank you for taking the time to go through my post history to gauge my experience level and discount my opinion.

Originally Posted by Russs

And for the record, you are right. I am relatively new to the 121 world and I mean it when I said I do look to those with a lot more experience to gain valuable information and learn from. I am not trying to argue what the job of each pilot is....we are on the same page there. I am just saying, as one of the "new guys", if a captain just stopped and stared at me, it would make me feel like crap and not want to fly with them again...it would not be productive. Now, talking about experienced, but lazy FOs, which is what I believe you are referring to, I am on your side. Lazy is lazy, regardless of experience....and I don't like it either. So, I am sorry if my comments rubbed you the wrong way....I am not out to make enemies, even on an anonymous forum. We may be worlds apart in experience, but I don't think we are all that far apart in beliefs.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller

Thing is no one should have to care about your feelings. This is a big boy job. We all are expected to be professionals. I’m not out to make you feel good about yourself or care if you want to fly with me again.

Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation

This. 100%. Know your job; do your job.