SoFloFlyer and Justabusdriver are FOs who are actively trying to leave NK, it seems. So their perspectives vs those of us seeing the difficulties on the line with a lot of the new hires, differ. If their biggest gripe are CAs who can’t connect to our inflight internet (not sure why anyone is trying to connect), but if that’s your current gripe, lucky you.

But there is a common theme on this subject; FOs hired in the last year or so are the ones saying “help the guys, it’s not a big deal” and CAs are the ones saying “it gets tiresome.”

Easy to just say “help them out, it’s not a big deal,” but I know I sure feel like single pilot without backup more now than ever before, that usually isn’t a great thing in this profession. It isn’t they (new FOs) don’t want to help, 99% do, it’s they don’t have the foundation to be much of a help. I want to speak fluent French when I go to Europe, but 2 years in high school only gets me so far.

Again, the guys we hire have been very nice guys to work with; but man has it become a butt kicking dealing with NKs lack of everything out on the line, compounded by our new lessened hiring requirements.

 

I didn’t say help them out. I said flying with 1500hr new hires is the new reality for spirit captains and pretty much every other LCC. Stop *****ing about it and learn to accept it. Complaining for months about it is getting old. If anything blame spirit for the lack of quality training and letting people slide through when they probably shouldn’t have.

I’m not sure what trying to leave spirit has to do with anything in this discussion. Seems like everytime someone says that disagrees with you all you do is check their post history to see they don’t want to bleed yellow and die with spirit. Just more salt from someone who’s upset they got stuck at spirit.

 

“Stuck at Spirit”. Haha. You realize any of us can leave at any time for a legacy, right?

And people looking to bail has everything to do with this issue. Because people bailing (don’t blame them) is what’s causing the issues with hiring. And because people are sitting in cruise wondering when Delta will call, and can they get the 777 after a year, really doesn’t suggest they are too committed to learning the airplane they are currently sitting in.

 

Agree... Not interested in a couple of new FOs thoughts on this subject. They are closer to the problem, not the solution. And they aren't on the other side of the cockpit with these guys/gals, having to take up their slack. And like so many things in this business, they don't yet know what they don't yet know.

 

For those in the left seat, how many sitting to your right say they are leaving or trying to if they are honest? Are you flying with more senior fos or jr ones? I’m in a fairly senior fo base and it seems I haven’t moved upwards on the bud packet for months

 

From what I’ve gathered chatting CAs and other FOs I know, the more senior FOs, ones bypassing upgrade, so say 3-5 years at spirit that are sticking around. They value the QOL. It’s the 1-3 year FOs that are bailing. Still new enough where they haven’t built up that much seniority and maybe they can’t/haven’t been able to manipulate their schedule as they thought or that flexibility isn’t as important to them.

 

Me trying to actively leave doesn’t play into this at all. If NK was going to stay NK, it probably would’ve been a different convo entirely. The reality is JB folks like the abuse and we like to live life outside of the flight deck. Besides the point though lol

I get why CAs gripe about it. I’m not ignorant of that fact. I get it completely, but complaining about it doesn’t help. I remember being lost in the sauce with comms when I was at my regional. Not because I couldn’t handle comms, but I didn’t know the first thing about ramp and metering. I could read back an app clearance, but everything else before that was foreign (albeit, it doesn’t take long to figure out). ATL or ORD on the ground can be a handful for anyone going in on their first time.

I hear the complaints on here about comms, but a lot of CAs on the line don’t complain too much about CFIs. It’s usually 135 guys that tend to struggle longer. So this whole comms thing took me by a bit of a surprise.

 

You reek of arrogance, man. Relax.

 

I find this to be accurate as well. A lot of people I talk to don’t want to see how this merger plays out. People usually mention that if they have to work as hard as a legacy pilot, they want ti be compensated like a legacy pilot.

On the side of it, senior folks here say they would bail too if they had 1-3 years of seniority. It’s definitely interesting times right now and way too many variables at play

 

Nah, that’s just the smell of stale cheese it’s and a #4 box.