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Old 10-30-2018 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IwasInverted
And upgrading 4 a month, new hire will only be in the right seat for 25 years.

This is a joke by the way, before I get attacked.


You’re not wrong though, every month since about June, I’ve heard “next month it will pick up.” I don’t believe it esp with 4 upgrades and no new airplane orders....


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Old 10-30-2018 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
You’re not wrong though, every month since about June, I’ve heard “next month it will pick up.” I don’t believe it esp with 4 upgrades and no new airplane orders....


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You realize that even without orders we have 12 planes arriving between today and March 31st right? Not to mention by end of 2021 we will have 55 more planes than we do today.

Will a new hire today upgrade in 3 years? absolutely not without an order. But will 4 upgrades a month remain for the next 3 years? absolutely not.

We need to average around 10 upgrades a month for the next 3 years just to staff what's coming. And that's assuming 7 captains per plane for staffing (we currently run around 9 and with pbs we will be somewhere between 7-8 captains per frame)
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Old 10-30-2018 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
You realize that even without orders we have 12 planes arriving between today and March 31st right? Not to mention by end of 2021 we will have 55 more planes than we do today.

Will a new hire today upgrade in 3 years? absolutely not without an order. But will 4 upgrades a month remain for the next 3 years? absolutely not.

We need to average around 10 upgrades a month for the next 3 years just to staff what's coming. And that's assuming 7 captains per plane for staffing (we currently run around 9 and with pbs we will be somewhere between 7-8 captains per frame)
Just about everyone I fly with seems to forget this. They all think we have no more planes coming on property for some reason.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 11:19 AM
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Apply and find out. Before the contract, someone got hired by NK with 6.9 hours in the previous 5 years. Now, who knows. But put your best foot forward and see.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
The grid disagrees with you
Pay attention to the staffing levels. We are fat everywhere. Go look at the lines. Notice all the aircraft being parked?
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Old 10-31-2018 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Super EZ E
Pay attention to the staffing levels. We are fat everywhere. Go look at the lines. Notice all the aircraft being parked?
Aircraft being parked? LOL

As for lines, what do you mean, lines have been net increasing. Sure DFW/ORD suffered a loss but guess what, DTW/LAS/FLL gained more flying than DFW/ORD lost for november.


Yes we are very fat, on the FO side only. Captain side is far from fat. the grid is still a mish mash of red green with hardly any open time out there. So I will agree that the captain side is rightly staffed, not fat. Fat would mean a full green grid like say... DTW FO. Literally 3 red days for all of november.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
Aircraft being parked? LOL

As for lines, what do you mean, lines have been net increasing. Sure DFW/ORD suffered a loss but guess what, DTW/LAS/FLL gained more flying than DFW/ORD lost for november.


Yes we are very fat, on the FO side only. Captain side is far from fat. the grid is still a mish mash of red green with hardly any open time out there. So I will agree that the captain side is rightly staffed, not fat. Fat would mean a full green grid like say... DTW FO. Literally 3 red days for all of november.
Last I checked, DTW CA has only 3 red days. Definitely been fat on the CA side in DTW. Don’t know about others.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Conquistador27
Last I checked, DTW CA has only 3 red days. Definitely been fat on the CA side in DTW. Don’t know about others.
LAS is far from fat, DTW just seems to be fat all around it seems
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Old 10-31-2018 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
Aircraft being parked? LOL

As for lines, what do you mean, lines have been net increasing. Sure DFW/ORD suffered a loss but guess what, DTW/LAS/FLL gained more flying than DFW/ORD lost for november.


Yes we are very fat, on the FO side only. Captain side is far from fat. the grid is still a mish mash of red green with hardly any open time out there. So I will agree that the captain side is rightly staffed, not fat. Fat would mean a full green grid like say... DTW FO. Literally 3 red days for all of november.
DFW is fat on the CA side. Every day is green on the CA side, some with 45 reserves a day, only exception is Thanksgiving.

We dont have any open time because we are heavy on pilots, so the company creates more REL lines for those pilots, then the open time for IOT is dropped on those REL lines, along with RES days; hence why we dont have open time and why we have so many green days.
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Old 10-31-2018 | 06:08 PM
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ORD is chunky on the CA side. Last I checked the whole grid was green (by a wide margin), including Thanksgiving.
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