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Old 06-24-2019 | 07:22 PM
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It's not like the swap would take place overnight. We'd have to train new Boeing pilots as well as transition over the AB pilots. It would take years, if not the better part of a decade to completely swap over.

Unfortunately, my career still has more than a decade left.
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Old 06-24-2019 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
It's not like the swap would take place overnight. We'd have to train new Boeing pilots as well as transition over the AB pilots. It would take years, if not the better part of a decade to completely swap over.

Unfortunately, my career still has more than a decade left.
B787’s are more interesting to me than the MAX.
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Old 06-24-2019 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
It's not like the swap would take place overnight. We'd have to train new Boeing pilots as well as transition over the AB pilots. It would take years, if not the better part of a decade to completely swap over.

Unfortunately, my career still has more than a decade left.
The IAG order for 200 MAX includes a complete Airbus fleet swap for 120 airframes at Vueling over several years.
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Old 06-24-2019 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
The IAG order for 200 MAX includes a complete Airbus fleet swap for 120 airframes at Vueling over several years.
So your saying there’s going to be a healthy supply of used airbuses coming up? Wonder if that’s playing a role.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 08:17 AM
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Still radio silence???? Very odd considering the Paris Airshow ended a few weeks ago. I’m starting to think Boeing’s chances are improving. An Airbus add-on (or even just adding the new A220s) should have been a slam dunk...
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Old 07-08-2019 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Still radio silence???? Very odd considering the Paris Airshow ended a few weeks ago. I’m starting to think Boeing’s chances are improving. An Airbus add-on (or even just adding the new A220s) should have been a slam dunk...
They have said many times now recently, no announcement until third quarter.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 10:01 AM
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They have said many times now recently, no announcement until third quarter.
True - although they said there was also an outside chance for an announcement at the Paris Air Show. Up until the big IAG order for 200 MAX in Paris recently I wasn’t sure if we would see any big fleet replacement orders (the full Vueling fleet of 120 A320/19s are due to be replaced by the MAX). Now it is clear that Boeing is ready to negotiate harder after the MAX setbacks and no doubt winning a huge volume order from Spirit (maybe join SWA with the MAX 7 for the thinner or development routes and the MAX 9 or 10 for the trunk routes) would be viewed as a strong vote of confidence in the MAX platform...

Obviously this is all speculative at this point. No doubt some hard negotiating going on to the benefit of Spirit and the shareholders with the lowest price possible for any order. Look forward to any updates!
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Old 07-08-2019 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Still radio silence???? Very odd considering the Paris Airshow ended a few weeks ago. I’m starting to think Boeing’s chances are improving. An Airbus add-on (or even just adding the new A220s) should have been a slam dunk...
The news article about us dropping Embraer from consideration, had a quote from TC stating something to the affect that “While I can’t definitely rule out a Paris announcement, it isn’t likely.”

Even without a new order the total A/C count has grown now for EOY 2021. They picked up a couple WOW birds awhile back.

There is nothing indicative that this place is just going to be fat, dumb and happy with 170ish airplanes. I know it sucks waiting. It is what it is.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
True - although they said there was also an outside chance for an announcement at the Paris Air Show. Up until the big IAG order for 200 MAX in Paris recently I wasn’t sure if we would see any big fleet replacement orders (the full Vueling fleet of 120 A320/19s are due to be replaced by the MAX). Now it is clear that Boeing is ready to negotiate harder after the MAX setbacks and no doubt winning a huge volume order from Spirit (maybe join SWA with the MAX 7 for the thinner or development routes and the MAX 9 or 10 for the trunk routes) would be viewed as a strong vote of confidence in the MAX platform...

Obviously this is all speculative at this point. No doubt some hard negotiating going on to the benefit of Spirit and the shareholders with the lowest price possible for any order. Look forward to any updates!
You think an airline that has invested considerably in turning around its image is going to announce a full fleet replacement for an airplane that will still be grounded during a Q3 announcement? I can see it now; Spirit to replace Airbus aircraft with the Boeing 737 Max that is still grounded with a return to service date still unknown.
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Old 07-08-2019 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
You think an airline that has invested considerably in turning around its image is going to announce a full fleet replacement for an airplane that will still be grounded during a Q3 announcement? I can see it now; Spirit to replace Airbus aircraft with the Boeing 737 Max that is still grounded with a return to service date still unknown.
Who knows? Maybe that is why an announcement is delayed - waiting for better news/PR related to the MAX program before an announcement. Or maybe it is just tough negotiating. I doubt a full fleet replacement will happen but you never know.... The IAG order for 200 MAX was a surprise too.
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