Possible Plane Order
09-30-2019 | 05:36 AM
#691
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Take it for what it’s worth, but just flew
With a 22 year CA. A close friend of his was also a long time senior CA here until age 65. His friend now works for the FAA. He says we are getting 50 next year. We were already slated for 20 or 21 so that’s an additional 30 airplanes.
He says 10 321s and the rest a mix of NEO and CEO.
Interestingly enough, in some email I believe (within the last few months) they said they are planning an additional 300 upgrades next year on-top of the 48/month they have going now.
Originally I think this hiring/upgrading was supposed to stop (slow down) after Q1 2020, but it appears it’s not going to. This would jive/make sense if we are getting another 30 or so airplanes next year.
The way this guy spoke was very matter of fact. He did not come across at all as someone just BSing.
I know the investors and TC got killed
For running lean, but this hiring and upgrading doesn’t make sense for just next years slated deliveries. I don’t know how something more isn’t coming.
With a 22 year CA. A close friend of his was also a long time senior CA here until age 65. His friend now works for the FAA. He says we are getting 50 next year. We were already slated for 20 or 21 so that’s an additional 30 airplanes.
He says 10 321s and the rest a mix of NEO and CEO.
Interestingly enough, in some email I believe (within the last few months) they said they are planning an additional 300 upgrades next year on-top of the 48/month they have going now.
Originally I think this hiring/upgrading was supposed to stop (slow down) after Q1 2020, but it appears it’s not going to. This would jive/make sense if we are getting another 30 or so airplanes next year.
The way this guy spoke was very matter of fact. He did not come across at all as someone just BSing.
I know the investors and TC got killed
For running lean, but this hiring and upgrading doesn’t make sense for just next years slated deliveries. I don’t know how something more isn’t coming.
09-30-2019 | 05:48 AM
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Take it for what it’s worth, but just flew
With a 22 year CA. A close friend of his was also a long time senior CA here until age 65. His friend now works for the FAA. He says we are getting 50 next year. We were already slated for 20 or 21 so that’s an additional 30 airplanes.
He says 10 321s and the rest a mix of NEO and CEO.
Interestingly enough, in some email I believe (within the last few months) they said they are planning an additional 300 upgrades next year on-top of the 48/month they have going now.
Originally I think this hiring/upgrading was supposed to stop (slow down) after Q1 2020, but it appears it’s not going to. This would jive/make sense if we are getting another 30 or so airplanes next year.
The way this guy spoke was very matter of fact. He did not come across at all as someone just BSing.
I know the investors and TC got killed
For running lean, but this hiring and upgrading doesn’t make sense for just next years slated deliveries. I don’t know how something more isn’t coming.
With a 22 year CA. A close friend of his was also a long time senior CA here until age 65. His friend now works for the FAA. He says we are getting 50 next year. We were already slated for 20 or 21 so that’s an additional 30 airplanes.
He says 10 321s and the rest a mix of NEO and CEO.
Interestingly enough, in some email I believe (within the last few months) they said they are planning an additional 300 upgrades next year on-top of the 48/month they have going now.
Originally I think this hiring/upgrading was supposed to stop (slow down) after Q1 2020, but it appears it’s not going to. This would jive/make sense if we are getting another 30 or so airplanes next year.
The way this guy spoke was very matter of fact. He did not come across at all as someone just BSing.
I know the investors and TC got killed
For running lean, but this hiring and upgrading doesn’t make sense for just next years slated deliveries. I don’t know how something more isn’t coming.
Also jives with training trying to figure out how to do 70 new hires a month.
09-30-2019 | 06:37 AM
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09-30-2019 | 02:09 PM
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Are you really comparing how it use to be, to what it is now? Have you seen what's been done to the training department since you left? This is not the old Spirit where you get a rental car and drive to MIA or having just 2 Sim in FLL. I'll bet you never saw 48 upgrades and 63 NH in a month while you were here.
09-30-2019 | 05:32 PM
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Not sure if this has already been covered, but why wouldn’t Spirit want to order the recently announced A220-300 LR (long range version) capable of 4,000+ mile range? With a very low CASM and this type of range (the ability to fly either short flights or very long flights efficiently), think of the possibilities for new route growth:
- FLL or MCO to almost anywhere in South America.
- DFW, LAS and anywhere on the West Coast to Hawaii
Looks like Moxy (David Neeleman’s new startup) plans to order 20 A220-300 LRs out of 60 total A220-300s. So, not all A220-300s need to be the LR version and they can still fly 3,400 miles (easy for transcon flights). Here’s the information I found online about the A220-300 LR version:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1431221 (copy and paste this link)
So, with the VERY low CASM (much better than an A319/320) and the range flexibility opening many new potential route pairings (especially in South America), why wouldn’t Spirit seriously consider the A220-300 and the A220-300 LR to replace older A319s and A320s?
No doubt JB is also watching this new LR version closely with their 70 A220-300 orders - and, based on Neeleman’s recent interviews, Moxy will probably push the envelope and try highly targeted long haul flights with it in addition to a mix of short and medium haul point-to-point flights with the A220-300 around the US. Neeleman has hinted that South America (to connect with his Brazilian airline Azul), Europe and Hawaii are possible A220-300 LR route connections from the US.
So, with the A319 NEO going nowhere, seems like the A220-300 (including the new LR version) would be an obvious replacement choice for the A319s and older A320s - right?
- FLL or MCO to almost anywhere in South America.
- DFW, LAS and anywhere on the West Coast to Hawaii
Looks like Moxy (David Neeleman’s new startup) plans to order 20 A220-300 LRs out of 60 total A220-300s. So, not all A220-300s need to be the LR version and they can still fly 3,400 miles (easy for transcon flights). Here’s the information I found online about the A220-300 LR version:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1431221 (copy and paste this link)
So, with the VERY low CASM (much better than an A319/320) and the range flexibility opening many new potential route pairings (especially in South America), why wouldn’t Spirit seriously consider the A220-300 and the A220-300 LR to replace older A319s and A320s?
No doubt JB is also watching this new LR version closely with their 70 A220-300 orders - and, based on Neeleman’s recent interviews, Moxy will probably push the envelope and try highly targeted long haul flights with it in addition to a mix of short and medium haul point-to-point flights with the A220-300 around the US. Neeleman has hinted that South America (to connect with his Brazilian airline Azul), Europe and Hawaii are possible A220-300 LR route connections from the US.
So, with the A319 NEO going nowhere, seems like the A220-300 (including the new LR version) would be an obvious replacement choice for the A319s and older A320s - right?
Last edited by David Puddy; 09-30-2019 at 05:48 PM.
09-30-2019 | 06:54 PM
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Are you really comparing how it use to be, to what it is now? Have you seen what's been done to the training department since you left? This is not the old Spirit where you get a rental car and drive to MIA or having just 2 Sim in FLL. I'll bet you never saw 48 upgrades and 63 NH in a month while you were here.
09-30-2019 | 07:35 PM
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Not saying it won’t have its challenges, but it is nearly a 2 month wait for class now.
I still have my AviationInterviews.com account. Guys interviewing with 30 in a session. I would assume there are more than 1 session a month.
This seems to be extreme overkill for getting yelled about running lean IMO.
10-01-2019 | 01:12 PM
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I’m sure its a coincidence today’s email looking for new LCAs.
Not saying it won’t have its challenges, but it is nearly a 2 month wait for class now.
I still have my AviationInterviews.com account. Guys interviewing with 30 in a session. I would assume there are more than 1 session a month.
This seems to be extreme overkill for getting yelled about running lean IMO.
Not saying it won’t have its challenges, but it is nearly a 2 month wait for class now.
I still have my AviationInterviews.com account. Guys interviewing with 30 in a session. I would assume there are more than 1 session a month.
This seems to be extreme overkill for getting yelled about running lean IMO.
10-01-2019 | 01:24 PM
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