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Macjet 01-21-2019 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2747456)
It’s not about you though that’s the point. When we all aren’t uniform we look like a bunch of discount pilots together.

We'll never be uniform and we shouldn't be. There has to be a range that is acceptable. Some guys are hot. Some guys are cold. Some guys are fat. Some guys are fit. I'm a sweater guy and I look more professional in my sweater with epaulets than the gordos do with their gut stretching their Van Heusen over their belt. And that takes talent in that maternity cut shirt. We could do better but this is small potatoes bro.

How about we get some new hires that can stay off their ****ing phones for more than 30 seconds at a time. Or how about some pilots who know their call outs. Or how about some new hires who can run a ****ing radio and answer with a correct call sign in something that even remotely resembles AIM recommended practices. It would be a ****ing luxury to be able to nit pick uniform items with what we're being dealt on the line.

When the day comes that my biggest concern is whether or not we'll **** off Qotsaautopilot with our uniform attire is the day I'll give HR and the training department a big old ****ing atta boy. And for the record, I'm in agreement with you around 95% of the time.

Halon1211 01-22-2019 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2747614)
We'll never be uniform and we shouldn't be. There has to be a range that is acceptable. Some guys are hot. Some guys are cold. Some guys are fat. Some guys are fit. I'm a sweater guy and I look more professional in my sweater with epaulets than the gordos do with their gut stretching their Van Heusen over their belt. And that takes talent in that maternity cut shirt. We could do better but this is small potatoes bro.

How about we get some new hires that can stay off their ****ing phones for more than 30 seconds at a time. Or how about some pilots who know their call outs. Or how about some new hires who can run a ****ing radio and answer with a correct call sign in something that even remotely resembles AIM recommended practices. It would be a ****ing luxury to be able to nit pick uniform items with what we're being dealt on the line.

When the day comes that my biggest concern is whether or not we'll **** off Qotsaautopilot with our uniform attire is the day I'll give HR and the training department a big old ****ing atta boy. And for the record, I'm in agreement with you around 95% of the time.


You think new hires are the only ones on their stupid phones??? Buddy, you would be surprised...

Popeye0537 01-22-2019 05:09 AM

Call outs? We have call outs?
I do agree that the guys wearing the sweater with their stripes look like they belong on star trek.

So you want me to say tree instead of three??😂

Qotsaautopilot 01-22-2019 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 2747614)
We'll never be uniform and we shouldn't be. There has to be a range that is acceptable. Some guys are hot. Some guys are cold. Some guys are fat. Some guys are fit. I'm a sweater guy and I look more professional in my sweater with epaulets than the gordos do with their gut stretching their Van Heusen over their belt. And that takes talent in that maternity cut shirt. We could do better but this is small potatoes bro.

How about we get some new hires that can stay off their ****ing phones for more than 30 seconds at a time. Or how about some pilots who know their call outs. Or how about some new hires who can run a ****ing radio and answer with a correct call sign in something that even remotely resembles AIM recommended practices. It would be a ****ing luxury to be able to nit pick uniform items with what we're being dealt on the line.

When the day comes that my biggest concern is whether or not we'll **** off Qotsaautopilot with our uniform attire is the day I'll give HR and the training department a big old ****ing atta boy. And for the record, I'm in agreement with you around 95% of the time.

Felt like this my entire last trip. Was the interview given in Spanish?
http://airlinefiles.com/images/Chewy.jpg

Macjet 01-22-2019 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 2747642)
You think new hires are the only ones on their stupid phones??? Buddy, you would be surprised...

No, not at all. It's an issue that permeates the ranks in both seats and society in general. But it appears to be more of an issue with the new hires. Perhaps the insulting first year pay doesn't make this seem like a real job. Judicious use of the parking brake and a 'whenever you're ready' usually gets the message across with little conflict.

Macjet 01-22-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2747675)
Felt like this my entire last trip. Was the interview given in Spanish?
http://airlinefiles.com/images/Chewy.jpg

'dat is korrect'

flyjbh 01-22-2019 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2747268)
My personal opinion.

Every halfway decent place I have worked for provided a uniform. I went to NK (2013) and got $38/hr and no uniform paid for. If a company can afford to give a free uniform to every pilot except new hires you can expect non-compliance. It costs $500 to give every new-hire a free uniform, but NK is too cheap to do it, you get North face, Dickies, aso. Yes, I knew that when I got, hired, just as NK should have seen the black uniform pants coming when they hired me...

I will not be the uniform police until they provide a free uniform to new hires.



I agree, until the company takes our uniform seriously, wear what works. We have no official winter gear other than the flasher coat.


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Alphafloor 01-22-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Sherpa (Post 2746816)
Self governed, complete autonomy on appearance. If leadership doesn't care then no use getting worked up.

Yep. I have and always will wear whatever I want to. Contempt for authority and disdain for Mickey Mouse uniform standards are some of the things that makes this pilot group special and a force to be reckoned with during labor actions. If you need to have spit shined shoes and a perfectly pressses uniform when you show up at the airport that’s fine but you probably won’t fit in very well.

Qotsaautopilot 01-22-2019 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by flyjbh (Post 2747882)
I agree, until the company takes our uniform seriously, wear what works. We have no official winter gear other than the flasher coat.


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The official winter uniform is the blazer or the leather jacket. There is not an approved trench coat at spirit. The leather is payroll deducted at $25 and they reimburse you for it at 36mo. Really no reason we all shouldn’t have it unless you’re partial to the blazer only. It’s not the most fashionable jacket for being out on the town but neither is my pilot shirt so I don’t wear either.

Qotsaautopilot 01-22-2019 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by Alphafloor (Post 2748070)
Yep. I have and always will wear whatever I want to. Contempt for authority and disdain for Mickey Mouse uniform standards are some of the things that makes this pilot group special and a force to be reckoned with during labor actions. If you need to have spit shined shoes and a perfectly pressses uniform when you show up at the airport that’s fine but you probably won’t fit in very well.

This must be bait. A force to be reckoned with? We litterally have the second worst contract in the business and I’m sure some frontier pilots might argue the worst.


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