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Scrapdaddy 01-23-2019 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by RandyLahey (Post 2748662)
Hey man, go retire already the industry doesn't need your backwards a** views. Its guys like you who wait til 65 to retire, and hose guys like me trying to make a career.

We all need a career, that’s the point of working numskull. Glad to see that we’re hiring the best and brightest. This level of thinking explains why we can’t even dress ourselves in the morning.

LloydBraun 01-23-2019 03:49 PM

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Not drama, The guys hired in the last 5 or so years are the root of evil. [/QUOTE]

Gators 01-23-2019 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2748650)
Not drama, It’s a matter of respect for the profession. The guys hired in the last 5 or so years are the root of evil. We have strayed so far from the principles of this company. This current group wouldn’t survive a day, the way things use to be.We were respected within the industry and looked up to.



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Qotsaautopilot 01-23-2019 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus (Post 2748249)
Which business would that be...

I'm sitting here on a bankruptcy/merger contract and LOA from 2013 (ammendable in 2023) that caps FO pay at year 4 and CA at year 10. I get a 50% match on 401(k) contributions up to 2% of my gross earnings (1% in matching).

Yes, I'm at a regional, but yes, we're part of "the business." Also, I'm pretty sure neither Allegiant, nor Sun Country's contract is any better, if you want to take the small slice of the industry where Spirit sits.

If you only want to compare to FedEx, UPS, AA, Delta, United, Alaska, JetBlue, Frontier, and Southwest, then maybe you're right.

Sun Country is a charter company and Allegiant- well I don’t know what they are, they aren’t even open two days a week.

As for the state of regional airline pay, it sucks and it shouldn’t. The scope shouldn’t have ever been given in the first place and toss in 2008 and age 65 most of us lived there for much longer than we ever thought we would.

As for PSA, I still distinctly remember the day when it seemed like those of us at the regionals were actually starting to stand up and say enough is enough to the race to the bottom and vote down contracts even with the promise of new planes. Then PSA came from left field and voted in the biggest piece concessionary garbage on the promise getting airplanes. It absolutely screwed everyone so I don’t have any sympathy. You reap what you sow. Just like we at Spirit have to live with what we voted for. Down the road a flow to AA happened for PSA so you have that going for you and you’ll be at a legacy one day and making more than Spirit pilots.

Feng 01-23-2019 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Tjamaica (Post 2748508)
Not even close to the same thing

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...%20(PRASM).htm

Who exactly should spirit be compared to?

symbian simian 01-23-2019 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Feng (Post 2748792)
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...%20(PRASM).htm

Who exactly should spirit be compared to?

Wait, wait, can I join in????
I am going to go with:
Continental, US Airways, America West, Airtran, and Virgin America.
How did I do?

3inthegreen 01-23-2019 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Scrapdaddy (Post 2748633)
Are you out of your mind!?!? Have some class and pride in your work. This isn’t the regionals anymore. Our pilots look like bums and you’re over here on the sidelines calling plays that ensure we lose.You want to be paid like a real pilot? Then I suggest you start acting like it. You’re probably the same guy who smokes a vape while he does his walk around. Pathetic!

My favorite argument I hear gainst the North Face Jackets.......that somehow we would be paid more if we looked more like Delta Pilots. Hah!

You know how else we could get our pay inline with our peers? By not voting in a company cost savings, POS contract.

Acehole 01-24-2019 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2748813)
Wait, wait, can I join in????
I am going to go with:
Continental, US Airways, America West, Airtran, and Virgin America.
How did I do?

Im glad you said something...Sheesh. 10yr old info.:eek:

Tjamaica 01-24-2019 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 2748813)
Wait, wait, can I join in????
I am going to go with:
Continental, US Airways, America West, Airtran, and Virgin America.
How did I do?

Haha you did great! :D

Feng 01-24-2019 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Acehole (Post 2748940)
Im glad you said something...Sheesh. 10yr old info.:eek:

I see I have to spoon feed everything. Scroll right lol


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