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03-09-2019, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
However, I don’t think it’s acurate to say the NC doesn’t care about rsv. I think rsv was just one part of a broader scheduling section and they got the best deal they thought they could to get with the most improvements for the largest percentage of the group. This is coming from someone that often bids rsv on purpose.
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And the reason you’re not as upset about reserves is because you bid it voluntarily. I have lived in reserve/relief line (depending on the month) for the last two years with not much end in sight given the 4 a month upgrades. Loss of reserve drop is a terrible qol hit for me.
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03-09-2019, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by astral
First rule of negotiating!
MEC/NC does not care about RES, they are senior enough to avoid it.
Their view is the same as Bendo's: RES is not supposed to be a choice.
We will NEVER get RES drops or any of our QOL we willingly gave up, enjoy your 1/6 Retro!
March 2018 was an epic fail:
NC negotiating while on a TRO, where was ALPA national?
They should have been relieved of their duties based on that alone!
Negotiating scared and tired, gets to be too much for anyone.
I don't blame the NC, they did their best, but were outclassed.
They walked out of the deal in November 2017, when Bendo threw the PBS MOU the last minute.
What changed between then and March? We voted on that same proposal+PBS!
Anyone that has some time in this industry knows that the vote on the first offer is ALWAYS NO!
Subsequent offer will no doubt be an improvement.
Even timing was terrible. Who signs in March?
Wait till high season, starting June to Sept and hit them when it hurts.
Lessons learned, hopefully!
MEC/NC does not care about RES, they are senior enough to avoid it.
Their view is the same as Bendo's: RES is not supposed to be a choice.
We will NEVER get RES drops or any of our QOL we willingly gave up, enjoy your 1/6 Retro!
March 2018 was an epic fail:
NC negotiating while on a TRO, where was ALPA national?
They should have been relieved of their duties based on that alone!
Negotiating scared and tired, gets to be too much for anyone.
I don't blame the NC, they did their best, but were outclassed.
They walked out of the deal in November 2017, when Bendo threw the PBS MOU the last minute.
What changed between then and March? We voted on that same proposal+PBS!
Anyone that has some time in this industry knows that the vote on the first offer is ALWAYS NO!
Subsequent offer will no doubt be an improvement.
Even timing was terrible. Who signs in March?
Wait till high season, starting June to Sept and hit them when it hurts.
Lessons learned, hopefully!
Best post on here, spot on.
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03-09-2019, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
And the reason you’re not as upset about reserves is because you bid it voluntarily. I have lived in reserve/relief line (depending on the month) for the last two years with not much end in sight given the 4 a month upgrades. Loss of reserve drop is a terrible qol hit for me.
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03-09-2019, 06:31 AM
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Happy signing day
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
It’s fine to be angry but that post is factually incorrect.
What part of the post is incorrect? I see somethings that are opinions but I happen to agree with them.
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03-09-2019, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
What part of the post is incorrect? I see somethings that are opinions but I happen to agree with them.
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A couple huge things changed between November and March. That’s fact. We didn’t just go back and settle on the company’s last offer.
03-09-2019, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
You can reference post #30 on page 3.
A couple huge things changed between November and March. That’s fact. We didn’t just go back and settle on the company’s last offer.
A couple huge things changed between November and March. That’s fact. We didn’t just go back and settle on the company’s last offer.
Things did change for sure, but I still feel like we did settle
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