Couldn’t find a current thread on it so I figured I’d ask here. Just saw these two events in recent days and had a few questions.

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/air...t-to-land.html

https://www.newsweek.com/spirit-airl...irport-1420652

Do you guys have fewer events now than you did a few years ago? In other words, is anything being done that has has a net benefit and reduction in events and/or reduced the severity of the events?

How many fume events do you guys have per month?

Do your NEOs have as many events?

Do older aircraft have more events, or is aircraft/engine age irrelevant?

Is APU oil responsible for any/many of your events?

My frontier buddies don’t seem to have any/many events. My AA buddies say they have a few but not a big deal. JB seems to have a ton. I’m convinced the IAEs and pratts are a lot worse in this regard than CFMs/LEAPs. Thanks for any input.

 

I can’t speak for other airlines but at Spirit, I feel a lot of it has to do with being strongly encouraged to recognize these events and act on them. Who knows how many unreported fume evens happen in the system.

 

To add. More awareness of potential real issues may lead to more sensitivity when an odor/fume is suspected. I believe fume events are real but I also believe not all "newsworthy" diverts due to odors are true fume events. Because of the very well known event here 4 years ago everyone is on high alert.

 

This. I’ve Believe the cabin crew is on the offensive. Anything slightly smells funny and it’s off we go.

 

I agree with what everyone else has said with regards to being especially vigilant here at Spirit. I remember smelling the dirty sock smell all the time in the E145 at a previous carrier but we were just told it was damp/moldy cabin filters. I smelt it much more often at my previous airline we just weren’t aware of what was happening.

Also I’m not a engineer by the farthest stretch but the IAE’s run with an oil pressure greater than 200 psi. On the CFM’s I think it’s in the 40s. Not sure if that huge oil pressure difference has anything to do with it. I could be wrong on the exact psi for the CFMs but that’s what I remember when I was looking at in on a Southwest 737.


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https://www.foxnews.com/travel/spiri...odor-wet-socks

 

I've had a fume event and after dealing with everyone at ALPA I can tell you AA has the most events recorded. source is ALPA, all airline Boeing and Airbus have issues. I was very surprised when given the the above info.

 

I think the above poster has it right that we get a lot of press on this issue because from the top down the entire airline is trying to be proactive on it.

We've had procedure specific to fume events for awhile now. We've taken a leadership role in organizing working groups of airlines and manufacturers to try to solve the problem and we also have very detailed internal data collection for fume events. We're probably the experts on fume events in the industry. Fume events are one of the most crucial things on Ted and Bendo's minds right now - per the VP of Flight Ops in a recent recurrent class.

All that activity leads to a heightened state of awareness and whenever there's anything that seems suspicious the crew usually treats it as a fume event, real or not. The good side of that is that it will put pressure on the industry to find a solution. Sweeping events under the rug does no one any good.

 

Wait, did you say we had a VP in a recurrent class? To what do we owe the honor?

 

Since when does management come into recurrent classes?