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Old 05-12-2019 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984
Since when does management come into recurrent classes?

Thought they would’ve put an end to that after Jryi said “Spirit needs another 9-11 type event.” And then started sending a chaperone around with him everywhere he spoke.
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Old 05-12-2019 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrust Hold
Thought they would’ve put an end to that after Jryi said “Spirit needs another 9-11 type event.” And then started sending a chaperone around with him everywhere he spoke.
Hmm, I get the INTENT of the statement, but the wording was very poor.
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Old 05-12-2019 | 09:00 PM
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It was our Vice President of Flight Operations. He had a Powerpoint presentation prepared for pilot classes and seemed like he had done the talk before. He spoke on a lot of issues including Wifi, the ALS verification procedure, future hiring, progress on the next aircraft order, fume events, LOSA, and a few others that I can't remember.

Another interesting tidbit: Both he and Ellis said the single biggest problem highlighted by the LOSA was our ramp safety. No surprise there.
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Old 05-13-2019 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
It was our Vice President of Flight Operations. He had a Powerpoint presentation prepared for pilot classes and seemed like he had done the talk before. He spoke on a lot of issues including Wifi, the ALS verification procedure, future hiring, progress on the next aircraft order, fume events, LOSA, and a few others that I can't remember.

Another interesting tidbit: Both he and Ellis said the single biggest problem highlighted by the LOSA was our ramp safety. No surprise there.
I've noticed a marked improvement from our GSA's since the S4 training program but as you mention our below the wing service is extremely poor. I know we're gunning for WN in a few markets but I don't think we'll make much headway until everyone on our team is on our team and pulling in the same direction. I interact with some really good guys on our below the wing crews but they're unfortunately the exception instead of the norm.

As a side note, I had an S8 contractor who had ride privileges (this was new to me). He made it a point to check in with the crew, ask for the ride, and thanked us on his way off. He was either just a a really good apple or a well briefed one. It was a pleasure having him onboard.
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Old 05-13-2019 | 05:31 AM
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I've noticed a marked improvement from our GSA's since the S4 training program but as you mention our below the wing service is extremely poor. I know we're gunning for WN in a few markets but I don't think we'll make much headway until everyone on our team is on our team and pulling in the same direction. I interact with some really good guys on our below the wing crews but they're unfortunately the exception instead of the norm.

As a side note, I had an S8 contractor who had ride privileges (this was new to me). He made it a point to check in with the crew, ask for the ride, and thanked us on his way off. He was either just a a really good apple or a well briefed one. It was a pleasure having him onboard.
Ellis said that after every LOSA observation they asked the crew: "What about the operation keeps you up at night?" The majority answered that it's a fear we are going to hurt someone on the ramp.
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Old 05-13-2019 | 05:47 AM
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Ellis said that after every LOSA observation they asked the crew: "What about the operation keeps you up at night?" The majority answered that it's a fear we are going to hurt someone on the ramp.
At least we're not sitting at the gate with an engine running while we hook up the jet bridge. Oh, wait...
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Old 05-13-2019 | 06:40 AM
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At least we're not sitting at the gate with an engine running while we hook up the jet bridge. Oh, wait...
This is the stupidest thing ( in my opinion) people do on the line. People don’t know how to use SETWA and common sense at the same time for some strange reason.
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Old 05-13-2019 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AllOva736
This is the stupidest thing ( in my opinion) people do on the line. People don’t know how to use SETWA and common sense at the same time for some strange reason.
Agree. I will go down and make sure power and air are connected so I can kill the APU, taxi single engine, delay engine start during long pushback. I also 100% start the APU as I pull into the gate.
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Old 05-13-2019 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
I know we're gunning for WN in a few markets but I don't think we'll make much headway until everyone on our team is on our team and pulling in the same direction. I interact with some really good guys on our below the wing crews but they're unfortunately the exception instead of the norm.
Absolutely agree with that. I end up riding on WN a lot to commute and 99% of the time everyone there is great. I really do think it's in part because everyone below the wing and up to the gate agents all actually work for WN. I know there are exceptions to every rule and that WN I'm sure has a few that aren't great but those seem to be few and far between. Here it seems the good ones are the exception. I was disappointed when we outsourced the gate agents, I feel like that was a step back.
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Old 05-13-2019 | 07:57 AM
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At allegiant we have all CFMs and our fume events are fairly rare. We had a spate of them about a year ago after the company started a mitigation program, but that died down after the few month. I strongly suspect that the higher the level of awareness the more reports are received. For a while, we had FA's calling up front with possible fumes every time someone farted or took their shoes off. I haven't personally smelled a sustained dirty sock smell from the packs in a very long time. We switched to Mobil jet oil and they quit over servicing the APUs. That seemed to make a big difference. I used to get it maybe 2-3 times a year. Usually on idle descent into a humid place below 10000.
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