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Old 05-14-2019 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
Senior pilot is a relative term, but it isn't someone trying to avoid reserve. You shouldn't expect to hold weekends off at that relative seniority. The "contractual right" to 4 days off was voted out, and the majority apparently decided that it wasn't worth holding on to. So, it is now your contractual right to waive it. Everyone is playing by the same rules. You could try to make the same argument about any of the waivers usurping seniority, but it just doesn't hold water, it's in the contract the majority voted in. In 6 months the argument will likely be moot. If you don't like it, tell your reps, or ask your scheduling committee for more 3-day trips. Ultimately, who gets to decide if the 4-day waiver sticks? That decision was also waived to the JPWG in this contract.
"What about my 4 days off?
Neither the TA nor the PBS LOA modifies the four day off language. The PBS LOA allows individual pilots the option to waive this requirement for a 6-month trial basis. The MEC will decide whether or not to keep this option."

I wonder how many believed nothing would change. We voted away 4 days off and I doubt most people realized it.
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Old 05-14-2019 | 11:04 AM
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The contract doesn't explicitly eliminate the 4-days off, but it opened Pandora's box to do so without any sort of consensus or vote. I believe it was as good as dead the day the TA was approved.
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Old 05-14-2019 | 11:28 AM
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You can NEVER get back the work rules you gave away....EVER.

And they were GIVEN away...
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Old 05-14-2019 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Acehole
You can NEVER get back the work rules you gave away....EVER.

And they were GIVEN away...
You would have had to remove and replace the Mec and NC.

Should have been done 2 years before TA.

We learned nothing from SWA or Delta.

Water under the bridge, move on.
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Old 05-14-2019 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by flyingpuma1
Yep jr about 65%


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Junior to you, it'll get better as you learn, utilize the resources.

Did very well, but this will change some as people learn from their mistakes.

I personally like PBS, but that's just me.
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Old 05-14-2019 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW
The contract doesn't explicitly eliminate the 4-days off, but it opened Pandora's box to do so without any sort of consensus or vote. I believe it was as good as dead the day the TA was approved.
This is not any real insight as it was confirmed by the NC before the TA. Or at least that's what one of them told me. Company will never want it back, worth nothing, spend your time learning how to bid and you'll have your 4 days off.

Fortunately we're back on the upgrading/hiring track (hopefully).
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Old 05-14-2019 | 12:01 PM
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Here's the thing about the 4 days off. Let's run a scenario in which 4 day off waiver is not possible under PBS. What happens then? Would you have been able to get the perfect line you wanted for June? I wager the answer is no because it would have violated the 4 day off clause at one point or other. As soon as the schedules aren't premade the 4 day off clause becomes meaningless because pilots don't care about the 4 days off as much as they care about other schedule objectives.

What would have made sense is to trade the 4 days off for a higher number of monthly minimum days off.
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Old 05-14-2019 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DickBurns
"What about my 4 days off?
Neither the TA nor the PBS LOA modifies the four day off language. The PBS LOA allows individual pilots the option to waive this requirement for a 6-month trial basis. The MEC will decide whether or not to keep this option."

I wonder how many believed nothing would change. We voted away 4 days off and I doubt most people realized it.
4 days off hasn’t been voted away at all-

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what might or might not happen in 6 months....
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Old 05-14-2019 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SG1159
4 days off hasn’t been voted away at all-

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what might or might not happen in 6 months....
Like I said, I'll bet a nickel.
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Old 05-14-2019 | 01:22 PM
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So if my schedule is blank does that mean I’m off the whole month?
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