Comprehensive New Hire Training Guide
05-31-2019, 10:05 AM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2019
Posts: 813
Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator
Give the guy/gal a break. He’s just trying to help the new folks and give them a better idea of what the different phases of training are. I think it’s a great write up.
It doesn’t matter if he has a type, the schedule and what to expect has nothing to do with that. Sure, learning the plane is easier if you’re typed, but the training footprint and what to expect remains the same.
Should we have more of the “they are failing everyone” posts?
05-31-2019, 07:54 PM
#16
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 63
As of less then a year ago, my class had almost no issues whatsoever. A few who didnt show up prepared were behind no doubt.
Show up prepared (Flows, memory items and limitations down cold), studied a couple hours a day after class. Work with your sim partner and ask each other systems questions, memory items, etc. I never felt behind or unprepared, just fairly busy. If I wasnt prepared, I can see how easy it would be to fall behind.
The 4 sims felt fast (coming from non sidestick AC), but with the 8 or 10 FTD’s you get leading up to that, they get you procedurally ready to go. That systems study guide is your best friend, but dont use just that for the oral. Like others said AOM/COM’s need to be studied too as you need to know proper SOP’s in the FTD/sim for basically everything.
Only one or two in our class had a prior 320 type rating. Majority were RJ captains/LCA/sim instructors just prior to NK. So 121 recent as well. I cant stress being prepared enough, and working with your sim partner. Although we had no failures, it was obvious that the guys who didnt study together and/or didnt show up prepared as instructed, did infact struggle. This seems to be the some of the most common factors I hear about guys who have a checkride or oral bust.
Show up prepared (Flows, memory items and limitations down cold), studied a couple hours a day after class. Work with your sim partner and ask each other systems questions, memory items, etc. I never felt behind or unprepared, just fairly busy. If I wasnt prepared, I can see how easy it would be to fall behind.
The 4 sims felt fast (coming from non sidestick AC), but with the 8 or 10 FTD’s you get leading up to that, they get you procedurally ready to go. That systems study guide is your best friend, but dont use just that for the oral. Like others said AOM/COM’s need to be studied too as you need to know proper SOP’s in the FTD/sim for basically everything.
Only one or two in our class had a prior 320 type rating. Majority were RJ captains/LCA/sim instructors just prior to NK. So 121 recent as well. I cant stress being prepared enough, and working with your sim partner. Although we had no failures, it was obvious that the guys who didnt study together and/or didnt show up prepared as instructed, did infact struggle. This seems to be the some of the most common factors I hear about guys who have a checkride or oral bust.
06-01-2019, 11:35 AM
#17
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 23
Originally Posted by GrillMaster
As of less then a year ago, my class had almost no issues whatsoever. A few who didnt show up prepared were behind no doubt.
Show up prepared (Flows, memory items and limitations down cold), studied a couple hours a day after class. Work with your sim partner and ask each other systems questions, memory items, etc. I never felt behind or unprepared, just fairly busy. If I wasnt prepared, I can see how easy it would be to fall behind.
The 4 sims felt fast (coming from non sidestick AC), but with the 8 or 10 FTD’s you get leading up to that, they get you procedurally ready to go. That systems study guide is your best friend, but dont use just that for the oral. Like others said AOM/COM’s need to be studied too as you need to know proper SOP’s in the FTD/sim for basically everything.
Only one or two in our class had a prior 320 type rating. Majority were RJ captains/LCA/sim instructors just prior to NK. So 121 recent as well. I cant stress being prepared enough, and working with your sim partner. Although we had no failures, it was obvious that the guys who didnt study together and/or didnt show up prepared as instructed, did infact struggle. This seems to be the some of the most common factors I hear about guys who have a checkride or oral bust.
Show up prepared (Flows, memory items and limitations down cold), studied a couple hours a day after class. Work with your sim partner and ask each other systems questions, memory items, etc. I never felt behind or unprepared, just fairly busy. If I wasnt prepared, I can see how easy it would be to fall behind.
The 4 sims felt fast (coming from non sidestick AC), but with the 8 or 10 FTD’s you get leading up to that, they get you procedurally ready to go. That systems study guide is your best friend, but dont use just that for the oral. Like others said AOM/COM’s need to be studied too as you need to know proper SOP’s in the FTD/sim for basically everything.
Only one or two in our class had a prior 320 type rating. Majority were RJ captains/LCA/sim instructors just prior to NK. So 121 recent as well. I cant stress being prepared enough, and working with your sim partner. Although we had no failures, it was obvious that the guys who didnt study together and/or didnt show up prepared as instructed, did infact struggle. This seems to be the some of the most common factors I hear about guys who have a checkride or oral bust.
Is the system study guide available online part of the prep material they sent you? Or do we get that when we show up?
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06-01-2019, 11:57 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,269
Comprehensive New Hire Training Guide
121 training is all about knowing what you need to know and what you can skim through. Know your flows before you show up. During indoc study your memory items and limitations while they’re showing the videos we’ve all seen 100 times and talking about VFR cloud clearances. Spend a couple hours a night with sim partner and study. Study what your instructors tell you and you’ll be fine. Don’t get too wrapped around the axle and burn yourself out.
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06-04-2019, 01:28 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 104
Updated training instructions
Got new training instructions:
Hello New Spirit Pilots,
Some exciting new changes are coming to Spirit’s Training Program. Outlined in this email is what you should expect for your training experience here at Spirit Airlines.
Prior to arriving for training, all limitations, memory items, and proficiency items should be committed to memory. An assessment will be conducted to establish your level of knowledge on these areas and the flows.
Some aircraft flows are changing effective July 8th.
The follow flows should be reviewed, but not a focus for committing to memory. New flows will be similar to existing flows, but easier to follow.
Preliminary Cockpit Flow
Preflight Flow – Captain and First Officer
Before Start Flow – Captain and First Officer
Before Takeoff Flow – First Officer ONLY
All remaining flows not listed above should be committed to memory as they will remain unchanged.
Emergency Training will occur on the last day of the first week of training. This training requires you to have a bathing suit for a wet ditching simulation.
After the first two weeks of ground school, you will be sent home for one week to have a self-study of systems knowledge.
You have to vacate the hotel room after the first two weeks. A new hotel room will be provided to you upon return from the week of self-study.
Computer Based Training (CBT) courses will be provided through SumTotal. These courses cover the remainder of Basic Indoctrination and provide the foundation for Systems training. They must be completed during the week to prepare for Cockpit Systems Integration (CSI) training.
Your ground instructor will be tracking your progress through the systems CBTs. He will also be available during normal business hours to answer any questions or assist with any issues you may have during this self-study week. THIS IS NOT A WEEK OF VACATION.
AOM Vol. 1 may also aid in your studies.
The recommended order for completing CBTs is:
Autoflight
Electronic Instrument System
APU
Electrical
Fire Protection
GPS ADIRS NAV
Communications
Air Conditioning
Pressurization
Ventilation
Pneumatics & Lighting
Ice and Rain Protection
Fuel, Engines, Hydraulics
Flight Controls I
Flight Controls II
Landing Gear and Brakes
Exterior Preflight
GPWS, RADAR, TCAS
Upon returning, you will start CSI training. The training is very intense and fast-paced so it is critical that you have well-prepared yourself during the week of self-study
Hello New Spirit Pilots,
Some exciting new changes are coming to Spirit’s Training Program. Outlined in this email is what you should expect for your training experience here at Spirit Airlines.
Prior to arriving for training, all limitations, memory items, and proficiency items should be committed to memory. An assessment will be conducted to establish your level of knowledge on these areas and the flows.
Some aircraft flows are changing effective July 8th.
The follow flows should be reviewed, but not a focus for committing to memory. New flows will be similar to existing flows, but easier to follow.
Preliminary Cockpit Flow
Preflight Flow – Captain and First Officer
Before Start Flow – Captain and First Officer
Before Takeoff Flow – First Officer ONLY
All remaining flows not listed above should be committed to memory as they will remain unchanged.
Emergency Training will occur on the last day of the first week of training. This training requires you to have a bathing suit for a wet ditching simulation.
After the first two weeks of ground school, you will be sent home for one week to have a self-study of systems knowledge.
You have to vacate the hotel room after the first two weeks. A new hotel room will be provided to you upon return from the week of self-study.
Computer Based Training (CBT) courses will be provided through SumTotal. These courses cover the remainder of Basic Indoctrination and provide the foundation for Systems training. They must be completed during the week to prepare for Cockpit Systems Integration (CSI) training.
Your ground instructor will be tracking your progress through the systems CBTs. He will also be available during normal business hours to answer any questions or assist with any issues you may have during this self-study week. THIS IS NOT A WEEK OF VACATION.
AOM Vol. 1 may also aid in your studies.
The recommended order for completing CBTs is:
Autoflight
Electronic Instrument System
APU
Electrical
Fire Protection
GPS ADIRS NAV
Communications
Air Conditioning
Pressurization
Ventilation
Pneumatics & Lighting
Ice and Rain Protection
Fuel, Engines, Hydraulics
Flight Controls I
Flight Controls II
Landing Gear and Brakes
Exterior Preflight
GPWS, RADAR, TCAS
Upon returning, you will start CSI training. The training is very intense and fast-paced so it is critical that you have well-prepared yourself during the week of self-study
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