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Old 06-02-2016, 09:49 AM   #1  
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I am on reserve. Going to training here in June for another airplane.

Question about training pay for all you contract guru's. Sent in a pay claim question don't like the response they gave me. Waiting on filing a PDR till payday to see what really happens.

I am in training from the 7th till end of June. I get three hours pay per day which add up to 69 hours. My MPG shows only 69 hours. Shouldn't I be getting a minimum of 73 hours pay for the month. Pilot pay claim says no because I have a hybrid line.

Next question is that I have 4 days reserve before training. And Pilot Claim is saying I have a hybrid line. And that my reserve days are included in the 69 hours. The 69 hours just adds up for training not the reserve days. Am I giving the company 4 days of reserve for free by the sounds of it. Reserves are paid 4 hours and some change for each reserve day. Keep it simple. I feel I should be getting 16 hours of pay for the reserve days in addition to the 69 hours that adds up for just training starting on the 7th. The contract does not give examples or really talk in detail on this type of situation except month preferencing.

Can United guys only give me some feedback please.
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Old 06-02-2016, 11:40 AM   #2  
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You should be payed 90 hours for june.
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:09 PM   #3  
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A full month of training Yes I will be paid 90 hours. That will be in the month of July.

But June is different because I have reserve days along with training. It's one of those months where pay is screwy because of the reserve days.
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A full month of training Yes I will be paid 90 hours. That will be in the month of July.

But June is different because I have reserve days along with training. It's one of those months where pay is screwy because of the reserve days.
Hybrid line is a term they made up to cheat you of pay. Be prepared to have more pay stolen from you on the transition from IOE back to reserve.

Your reserve days in the beginning of the month pay 4:03:20 per day toward MPG. Then each training day pays 2:20 per day toward MPG. That accounts for the MPG bucket. Your MPG is 4*(4:03:20) + 23*(2:20) or 53:40 + 16:13:20 or 69:53:20

Now look at the Line Value bucket. Each training day (including off days) will pay 3.0 per day LV. Your best bet is to fly on your RSV days as that will add credit to your LV. Your LV is 3.0 * 23 or 69 hours. If you fly on your RSV days...add that credit to 69. So a 20 hour 4 day would get you to 89 hours.

If you don't fly on RSV days, you will only get paid 69:53:20

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Seems crazy if this is true! Yet another wart in this contract if it is indeed true.
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I do hope ALPA addresses this bogus-ness. Hybrid my foot.
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I do hope ALPA addresses this bogus-ness. Hybrid my foot.
Next time around on the new contract...I see no reason to have different buckets of pay. It will simplify the contract and make the pay stubs more transparent. Add Pat, MPG, Line Value, PTC...toss it all out and call it pay.
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Old 06-04-2016, 09:47 AM   #8  
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Thanks, that's the best explanation I have received.

Thought I would get at least 73 hours pay.

Yes this is something definitely that needs to be changed in the next contract.
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Thanks, that's the best explanation I have received.

Thought I would get at least 73 hours pay.

Yes this is something definitely that needs to be changed in the next contract.
It is equally frustrating when you get into LOA 39 and the blocker days for IOE. Make sure you email training scheduling to get your 3 training days off POST IOE. You will lose money if you take these days after training. When you get your July schedule...post it here and I can help you figure out when to fly to maximize your pay. You may be able to gouge them enough to come out ahead of the money they will short you overall....or your August schedule...July is easy if you are in training the whole time!
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