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Old 06-14-2019 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MOGuy
If some peeps would be willing to provided what first officer 1st year and 2nd year take home pay? What are the average line credit hours?

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Like FNGFO said, count on guarantee minus taxes for first year. 2nd year, if you can hold a line (no promises) ALV for July/LAS was 83 hours. What you get still depends on what the senior people bid so count on min credit window 76-83hrs.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss
I'm paying attention to this since it definitely affects me. My friend at Spirit says his take home is about 72% of gross, but he's filing married and I'm not sure if that includes perdiem (which we all know is tax free on overnight pairings).

Even with the new contract Spirit will be a little bit of a pay cut coming from regional FO just because of not crediting as many hours. I frequently credit over 100 at Xjet but am told that's rare at Spirit and impossible on reserve.

At Xjet, my take home is about 69% of gross filing unmarried, including perdiem and ALL deductions.
X list is your friend. Blocked 65 and my take home was over $10k recently. I fly with FO's who are regularly nearing this as well. Be flexible and reap the benefits.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 01:56 PM
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That's great to hear! First year I will want to credit as much as I can as I need the $$ for my fancy and expensive lifestyle. I've also heard about the X/Y list and for the Y list I can offer to cover other airports than just ACY.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss
That's great to hear! First year I will want to credit as much as I can as I need the $$ for my fancy and expensive lifestyle. I've also heard about the X/Y list and for the Y list I can offer to cover other airports than just ACY.


Honestly don’t count on it if you’re doing a serious budget. It’s feast or famine with the X/Y list. Some months the phone won’t stop ringing and some you never hear a peep. They also usually only call when you have stuff going on. When you want them to call it’s usually crickets.


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Old 06-14-2019 | 02:09 PM
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I'm flexible, I can survive on first year but it'll be tight without dipping into savings (I have plenty). But I'd like as much as possible, even if it's not every month.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
Honestly don’t count on it if you’re doing a serious budget. It’s feast or famine with the X/Y list. Some months the phone won’t stop ringing and some you never hear a peep. They also usually only call when you have stuff going on. When you want them to call it’s usually crickets.


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Best advice on here. Every time I list it’s crickets but I do know folks who get called a lot, but don’t plan on it.


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Old 06-14-2019 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss

I frequently credit over 100 at Xjet but am told that's rare at Spirit and impossible on reserve.
It's not impossible. I'm on reserve and a commuter. This month i'm already at 100+ with just 1 X list. I also did 100+ last June-August as a reserve.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss
I'm flexible, I can survive on first year but it'll be tight without dipping into savings (I have plenty). But I'd like as much as possible, even if it's not every month.
You'll be fine as long as you live in domicile. The X list generally doesn't work that well for commuters.
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Old 06-14-2019 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss
That's great to hear! First year I will want to credit as much as I can as I need the $$ for my fancy and expensive lifestyle. I've also heard about the X/Y list and for the Y list I can offer to cover other airports than just ACY.
Be careful with Y list. If they get a hold of you for Y list, you cannot decline the assignment. Just let it go to voicemail and decide from there.
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Old 06-15-2019 | 12:37 PM
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X list has very much been a hit and miss, and not something I would factor into first year pay.

Some experiences:

I had a meaty 4 day trip premium trip that made for a nicer paycheck the next month, but I was also used often and inefficiently most of the rest of my reserve days (double deadheads to operate one short leg then deadhead home etc) and didn’t break guarantee so the remaining 8 days off sort of made it all a wash.

I accepted a short red eye turn X list call. I live a couple hours from base, so between commute both ways, gas, parking (the employee parking/shuttle is whole other discussion) taxes, delays etc etc, the net $300 wasn’t worth the time off I gave up to do it.

Had a last day red eye trans con home, the plane next to us was delayed with a tech issue and we were offered 2 hours credit to give up our plane, take a 3-4 hour delay and ferry that plane home. The captain was all for it as his commute didn’t leave till later that day and it was another $500. I would have gladly given my measly $100 to just go home. ($114 technically, but I doubled tipped some van drivers as the skipper said it wasn’t something “he did”)

I’m not bashing premium pay events, and they can definitely be a nice kicker when your paychecks aren’t so impressive, but on first year pay the juice isn’t always worth the squeeze.
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