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Originally Posted by ipdanno
(Post 2918742)
So, we agree that the MEC didn’t release the first offer for a membership vote, the offer that protected captain seats. I posted that to refute the previous poster claiming the SW pilot CBA stipulates taking all the left seats.
As a 6 year NK guy, would you rather merge with Mesa because you would be the Big Guy in the merger, or is it something else? How did that end up with FAPA and Republic? Part two, mostly just wanted to express how much I don't want to merge with SWA, because of how they treat their acquired employees. |
Originally Posted by Flightcap
(Post 2918749)
As a 1.5 year NK guy, I'd rather merge with anyone else but SWA because SWA has a history of horribly treating merged employee groups. Whether it be the union, management, whoever, doesn't matter.
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Symbian, I wish you the greatest successes at NK. And I doubt we will see any sort of merger between our employers.
Now, prior to any merger, all sides of corporate and labor attempt to protect their own. Afterwards, it would be counterproductive to treat anybody poorly. |
Originally Posted by ipdanno
(Post 2919033)
, prior to any merger, all sides of corporate and labor attempt to protect their own. Afterwards, it would be counterproductive to treat anybody poorly.
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Originally Posted by ipdanno
(Post 2919033)
Symbian, I wish you the greatest successes at NK. And I doubt we will see any sort of merger between our employers.
Now, prior to any merger, all sides of corporate and labor attempt to protect their own. Afterwards, it would be counterproductive to treat anybody poorly. Having said all that, I have ex-TWA & AWA friends that feel the same about LAA and LUS so there's that. I would rather pass on all. |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2919490)
Well, do you honestly believe everyone forgot how they were treated the moment they changed the gold for silver stripes? I know for a fact the last classes, quite a while afterwards, to go from 717 captain to 737 fo, regardless of seniority on the combined list felt poorly. Not just because of the downgrade, but the attitude received ( and given I'm sure) from the SWA side. It was very different from newhire class (again, both from close personal experience).
Having said all that, I have ex-TWA & AWA friends that feel the same about LAA and LUS so there's that. I would rather pass on all. It’s funny, because 7 years into the merger, the overwhelming majority of the former AirTran folks are very happy. Hell, about half of them I get 2 days into the trip before it comes out that they used to work for AirTran. You would assume by listening to whack and a few others that it is the worse thing to ever happen to their careers. It was a hard pill for some of them, I get that. Lives were uprooted in some cases and a lot of guys had to do a victory lap in the right seat. All that being said, 98 percent of them are just happy to be alive and flying the line at a solvent and functioning airline that allows them to spend 18-19 days a month at home with their families. 2 percent of them make 99 percent of the noise and won’t let it go. A lot of swa guys (myself included) lost seniority in the merger, but they don’t complain nearly as loud. The juniorist AirTran FOs are coming into the upgrade window this upcoming year. Management chose to give the majority of the AirTran fleet to their biggest domestic competitor and keep all the pilots. Such is life. The pilots were left with a crappy situation to handle...merge pilot groups without the airplanes. I think they handled it the best they could. |
Originally Posted by e6bpilot
(Post 2919672)
It’s funny, because 7 years into the merger, the overwhelming majority of the former AirTran folks are very happy. Hell, about half of them I get 2 days into the trip before it comes out that they used to work for AirTran.
You would assume by listening to whack and a few others that it is the worse thing to ever happen to their careers. It was a hard pill for some of them, I get that. Lives were uprooted in some cases and a lot of guys had to do a victory lap in the right seat. All that being said, 98 percent of them are just happy to be alive and flying the line at a solvent and functioning airline that allows them to spend 18-19 days a month at home with their families. 2 percent of them make 99 percent of the noise and won’t let it go. A lot of swa guys (myself included) lost seniority in the merger, but they don’t complain nearly as loud. The juniorist AirTran FOs are coming into the upgrade window this upcoming year. Management chose to give the majority of the AirTran fleet to their biggest domestic competitor and keep all the pilots. Such is life. The pilots were left with a crappy situation to handle...merge pilot groups without the airplanes. I think they handled it the best they could. You are right, the person in my family that got displaced and held back for upgrade (without having to commute) for years is NOW very happy with SWA. Probably one of the reasons I still get fired up about this, is the reaction of other (younger) pilots when I talk about knowing an exAT pilot, and invariably their reaction is: “ohh, nice pay bump”. No, it wasn’t, displacement led to a move the family had to deal with, upgrade delayed by years, and hostile initial was not a great experience. Probably better to let the spilled milk join the water under the bridge..... Still recognize the EX-AT when I JS, not nearly as crisp and starched as L-SWA ;) |
Originally Posted by symbian simian
(Post 2919490)
Well, do you honestly believe everyone forgot how they were treated the moment they changed the gold for silver stripes? I know for a fact the last classes, quite a while afterwards, to go from 717 captain to 737 fo, regardless of seniority on the combined list felt poorly. Not just because of the downgrade, but the attitude received ( and given I'm sure) from the SWA side. It was very different from newhire class (again, both from close personal experience).
Having said all that, I have ex-TWA & AWA friends that feel the same about LAA and LUS so there's that. I would rather pass on all. |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2920030)
Bingo. You get it. The “You’re not worthy of being at SWA” attitude gets old....fast. That said, save your breathe as they’ll never get it and just pray that you’re never on the receiving end of a SWA merger/acquisition.
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