problem is that you’re looking at it on a single turn or multiple turn situation. It might cost a couple hotels but they may be saving anywhere else in the system making a crew from another base more productive (less soft time or requiring less overall pilots) by having an out of base crew come and do turns in a different base as part of a 4 day.

You’re looking at it on a hotel cost and hard block turn basis not a global solution across the system. I can bet my next paycheck they wouldn’t be paying the hotels and would have in base crews doing those in base turns if it were cheaper on a network scale. It’s not now but it might be as new and different flights and city pairs or frequency are added. That’s why when we had hard lines some months we’d have 20 day trip lines and the next month it would be only 4 with all the choice flying farmed out to other bases, and then the following month 20 again. It’s all because as the entire network schedule changes the optimizer makes the lowest cost pairing build with overall cost in mind. That might mean spending what may seem like unnecessary $20,000 on hotels for flights that could be in base turns but saving $21k in scheduling efficiencies elsewhere. To the company they saved $1,000 but you see $20,000 in hotels.

For Chicago I finished OE in September and should hold a line in March.

Who cares? You guys are trying to figure out what hotels cost the company on these trips while Delta is figuring what 16.6% is of their W2...

I dont care what hotels cost or if they are losing money with their staffing vs savings. We are not partners in profit sharing.

So again I ask, who cares?

Of course I get that part, but there’s no way in hell the trip optimizer couldn’t find other legs for those crews. ALPA’s scheduling committee has more say that you might think (strangely, they don’t devote their energies to stop those 2-leg red eyes going thru LAS, a crew base).

what is the typical schedule for a DFW based pilot, say a three-year FO ?

Thank you

I don't know about that. Day 1&4 low block (1-2 legs to/from MCO or FLL) with 2 int'l turns on day 2&3 gets you closer to the 5 hr min day rather than paying each 6+hr turn individually. Not that I wouldn't rather you guys fly them...

Probably holding at least most weekends off. Trips out of DFW are predominately 4-days so likely 3 of them plus another 1-4 day depending on what credit they're going for. Not sure if it'll continue for someone hired today. We have a lot of growth as a company but we don't know how much of that will involve "K":D DFW.

Exactly, so what if the company burns extra money? It’s just less money for a bonus for one of our higher ups. So who cares if it costs the company extra?


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Who cares you ask? Probably those who have the seniority to hold what should be a turn in domicile, so they can go home and sleep in their own bed at night. I think they would probably care.

I agree but people want to know why other bases do “their” choice flying or why they do another base’s crappy flying. It’s cheaper and thats all I’m saying. Now where’s my profit sharing check!