Ok, well correct me if I'm wrong because I honestly do not know, but if we go to the company with an ask then they will want something in return. Does that sound about right or am I way off?

I do believe we’re still owed a quid...

Reserves will indeed get some of the flying. And since they’ll get nowhere even close to breaking 72 they might as well be getting zero. Same result either way.

Meanwhile, the dozen or so lineholders in each base get to clean up house. Again.

This could have been handled better.

We are DEFINITELY owed a ****ing quid!!!!!! Mother****ers ****ed us one way then another.......

Sorry, I got distracted. The rest is a wash till said quid is paid, then we’ll move on.

Senior line holders sell out reserve last contract.

Senior pilots now on reserve suddenly want the ability to drop reserve days and pick up overtime while flying 0 hours on reserve. Interesting....

I think it's pretty obvious they are going to use any open flying on reserves needing currency to the greatest extent possible. As simple as that. Reserves that get current sooner than later are more likely to do nothing afterwards. With ticket sales appearing to accelerate, everyone on reserve for June should plan on reporting at least a few days. That's not a bad thing.

Yep. Karma for those that can’t read and never thought they would be back on reserve.


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Voting to get rid of reserve drops was terrible, but saying reserves should be able to pick up from DOT is ridiculous.

Not when there are only 3 line holders in each seat

It’s pretty interesting that everyone is getting full pay to do nothing at all for months and still feel like their being cheated. Are the top few in each base getting a better deal? Yes.... it’s called seniority. Some of you are just disgracefully selfish. Enjoy the rare opportunity you have to spend so much time at home and appreciate the fact you still have your full pay and benefits.

Found a lineholder.

Plane Coffee

Is it selfish of me to want recency in the plane? That chair flying thing works great but it's been really really difficult for me to simulate loading the printer.

I stay proficient with my call outs when making love to my wife. When she tells me I’m in, I reply “check”. And when I miss I say “reject, I have controls”.

how so? Is it so bad I’d like to pick up a trip on my days off to try to stay current and comfortable in the airplane? I agree that access to DOT on our work days would be absurd, but why not on our days off?

let the record show I’m not complaining, I feel incredibly lucky to be here, I’d just like to get in an airplane.

in the meantime all I can do is look longingly at the huge list of DOT flying I can’t touch:D

I’m not really sure why this needs to be said, but the reason you can’t touch DOT on your days off, on reserve, which, I don’t know every single airlines contract, but the ones I know you can’t do it there either, and by the way we couldn’t do it on the last contract either, is because there are limits to what airline pilots can fly, so if you pick up a four day on your fours days off, there isn’t a lot they can do with you on your six days of reserve.

Oh, and I’m a line holder that’s back to reserve. You guys were right all along, this 24hr LC living in base not doing anything all month is horrible. (Sarcasm)

You guys *****ing about not flying are probably the same guys that ***** about flying too much during busy times.

yeahhh... bottom 20% in base and have a transcon commute. Whatever makes you feel better though.

Did you jump up and down with your hands on your hips while you wrote that?

Plane Coffee

Is because you voted for the current contract.....

Rsv picking up on days off would reduce the pool of opentime it would be impossible to trade as a lineholder. The company would be paying everything in open time above guarantee and rsv would do very little on their work days as part of their guarantee. It would also all but eliminate premium pay for everyone.

Pre China virus I bid rsv on purpose usually so this is not just a lineholder perspective.

And the one before that.......and the one before that one.

Are you seriously trying to compare Reserve life during Covid with reserve life in normal times?

”I’m a line holder, don’t know why guys are complaining, this reserve isn’t so bad since I know there’s 99.9% chance I will 1) not be called 2) not have my LC converted to SC during a commute 3) Not have any need to drop or swap days off since I basically have every day off and nothing I really need to do during quarantine”

And don't forget the Covid only 24 hours vs the normal 12. He's really hurting. Poor feller.

its 14hrs brah

Go ahead and try to bid LCR in about two years when we get back to normal. Then report back.

Apples and oranges man.

SAVE closed at $12.31 today

Did you sell any? If not, you still haven’t made any money (just as you didn’t lose any when shares were down).

F9 pilot here. Res can pick up on thier days off under our current agreement. Subject to all grid and domicile limitations. The company assigns a predetermined block and duty to your reserve duty periods then makes sure your 117 legal for the pickup. I believe the negotiated numbers are 4 block and 6 duty to the existing res days. There’s still been plenty of premium. Pre Covid anyhow.

Our shop rsvs could pick up (pre-Covid) on days off. It was never a problem for lineholders because reserves only have 12 days off and unless it was a day trip, you had to change your entire month schedule to be legal to pick up a trip. Eg, say you want to pickup a 4 day trip. You need 6 off in a row. Day off, add 4 day, day off. Now the rest of the month, you only have 6 more off days. Getting it all spread out exactly as you need it was very tough. I found it easier to add two 2-days separated. Because then you could do a 2-day trip and still have 3 rsv days before or after and be legal.

Bottom like though, it was still tough to move days around and be legal. But there were months I was getting 79 hr reserve guarantee plus getting 21+ hrs for picking up 4 days of extra work. 100+ credit months.

It works well for res pilots that live in domicile to bump up credit with turns. That’s the intent. For res commuters aggressive bidding 2 or 3 Day trips that start on a res duty period and go into a day off works well as long as it’s finish early on a day off. That leg plus any rig is over guarantee. Same going into a block of res duty periods. Kill an rdp if your getting used anyhow and bump credit substantially. From a lineholders prospective it is a bit of a give. There’s more pilots competing for the same flying in open time. I’m a line holder but don’t mind it as you never know when you could end up on reserve. More options is usually better.

What turns? Here at NK turns go to the training department. I thought everybody knew this.

did DFW flights stop or get drastically reduced ?

that is a Pilot base, yes ?

depends on where you're trying to go...

A few months ago HSV-2 went airborne and broke out worldwide causing mass flight cancellations. It’s been a real kick in the crotch to the travel industry.

OK. At f9 turns are Sr at senior bases and jr at jr bases. The best time to negotiate for something is when it doesn’t cost you money (your not doing it) and or management is trying to solve some issue (I.e pilots dequaling). Kind of reminds me of when our mec chair said why would we need min calendar day? We don’t do that type of flying. Now we do a ton of it. Just passing along info. Not looking to argue about it. Good luck, back to f9 thread for me.

Last thing I’ll say. Allowing reserve pickups on days off is a good deal if structured properly. It seems to me you have an opportunity for an Loa. I know your and our current/old language fairly well. Good luck!

No. DOW futures goin crazy up. Lots of economic hope and things opening. Personally I think the market is way over inflated but why fight the Fed?

SAVE is showing $14.32 pre-market.

Now we seem to care about reserve language.

Certainly didn’t during the CBA vote.

Good deal for who? Not for line holders as the ability for reserves to pick up does two things: 1. Reduces the limitation (117) on what can be done during their time on reserve due to what was picked up. 2. Reduces our Red/Green grid which inhibits what line holders can do (add, drop, swap) because there would have been a reduction in the Reserve Grid.

This is certainly not to thumb one's nose at the Reserve pilots as that schedule serves a vital purpose. But many of us went through that crucible with the pain of flying the crappy trips, repo-flights, and everything else that came our way. But seniority should have certain benefits through longevity.

I bid back to rsv pre China virus and like it. The no dropping from the outside in on one block at least is an issue but I don’t want to have rsv picking up on days off. It reduces x/y and limits lineholder flexibility. Why are we looking for ways people can pick up at straight pay? Anything on anyone’s day off should be 200% period.

As far as working bad trips/repos etc etc. working a couple of those instead of 80 hrs of 4 days is oh so much better. 4 four days for 8 house sounds like torcher.

Solid spelling there. Don’t drink and post