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Seneca Pilot 09-19-2020 03:58 PM

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Skypilotsv1984 09-19-2020 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3132243)
Break
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Probably an old Chris Craft that is worth $100k if it’s restored.

BeechedJet 09-19-2020 06:43 PM

Had to look at the photo twice to make sure it wasn’t one of the grey 319’s.

Seneca Pilot 09-20-2020 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 3132308)
Probably an old Chris Craft that is worth $100k if it’s restored.


Absolutely, for the low low price of ten years of your life and $140,000 you can have a boat worth $100,000.

Cujo665 09-20-2020 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot (Post 3132456)
Absolutely, for the low low price of ten years of your life and $140,000 you can have a boat worth $100,000.

Not even close. An existing boat shop or a serious hobbyist with their own at home shop can make that into a spare time project. The shop owner just has his/her employees work on it in between customer jobs in the free time. It then becomes just the expense of the parts and materials.

Somebody will make a nice profit on this.

Worth noting that I don't believe it to be a Chris Craft. The engine compartment forward of the helm position was very rare. The port side helm position is even more rare. This could be a Gar Wood, circa 1930's. $140,000 would be really cheap fully restored.

The other possibility is a Higgins, since they built port side helm stations, but I haven't been able to find a Higgins with a forward engine compartment. Either way, it's a rare boat. If it's a Gar Wood, the left helm is an oddity. If it's a Higgins the forward engine is an oddity. I bet this thing restored would be a top dollar boat.

week 09-20-2020 08:42 AM

I think it’s cujo’s boat and he’s trying to sell it

ASAPsafetyGUY 09-20-2020 12:35 PM

Looks like a hunk of drift wood to me.

WHACKMASTER 09-20-2020 01:10 PM

Meh......I’d rather have a Miata.

69fastback 09-20-2020 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3132540)
Not even close. An existing boat shop or a serious hobbyist with their own at home shop can make that into a spare time project. The shop owner just has his/her employees work on it in between customer jobs in the free time. It then becomes just the expense of the parts and materials.

Somebody will make a nice profit on this.

Worth noting that I don't believe it to be a Chris Craft. The engine compartment forward of the helm position was very rare. The port side helm position is even more rare. This could be a Gar Wood, circa 1930's. $140,000 would be really cheap fully restored.

The other possibility is a Higgins, since they built port side helm stations, but I haven't been able to find a Higgins with a forward engine compartment. Either way, it's a rare boat. If it's a Gar Wood, the left helm is an oddity. If it's a Higgins the forward engine is an oddity. I bet this thing restored would be a top dollar boat.

Do you not put a value on your time? I sure do, and I own 2 boats. As long as you use them, they aren’t as bad as the “break out another thousand” crowd thinks. Neither one of mine have ever broken down on the water and I’ve owned one for 10 years and the other one has been in my family for 26 years.

Skypilotsv1984 09-20-2020 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by 69fastback (Post 3132811)
Do you not put a value on your time? I sure do, and I own 2 boats. As long as you use them, they aren’t as bad as the “break out another thousand” crowd thinks. Neither one of mine have ever broken down on the water and I’ve owned one for 10 years and the other one has been in my family for 26 years.

It also depends if you can do the majority of the work yourself. If you have a marina do everything then it’s expensive.

kingairfun 09-22-2020 11:57 PM


Originally Posted by 69fastback (Post 3132811)
Do you not put a value on your time? I sure do, and I own 2 boats. As long as you use them, they aren’t as bad as the “break out another thousand” crowd thinks. Neither one of mine have ever broken down on the water and I’ve owned one for 10 years and the other one has been in my family for 26 years.

I'd suppose part of the problem with boat issues could lie with the sometimes infrequent use they get? (especially in cold weather climates) Kind of like older cars that need to be run atleast once every week or two to keep seals and lines intact etc..

I suppose many boat owners use their boats pretty sparingly? Just a mechanical hunch.

badtransam97 09-23-2020 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by kingairfun (Post 3134367)
I'd suppose part of the problem with boat issues could lie with the sometimes infrequent use they get? (especially in cold weather climates) Kind of like older cars that need to be run atleast once every week or two to keep seals and lines intact etc..

I suppose many boat owners use their boats pretty sparingly? Just a mechanical hunch.

We usually start boating around mid April and stop early October..go every chance we get!

bruhaha 09-23-2020 02:39 PM

After the world shut down in April, finally broke down and bought my first boat.

Have been out on the water just about every day as well.... except for the occasional trips I get called in for.

it’s been a blast I admit.

CincoDeMayo 09-23-2020 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by bruhaha (Post 3134716)
After the world shut down in April, finally broke down and bought my first boat.

Have been out on the water just about every day as well.... except for the occasional trips I get called in for.

it’s been a blast I admit.

You have some big cojones to have bought a boat in April, with the industry in free fall. I bet it was a nice stress relief to deal with the junk of the world since you purchased it

Shrek 09-23-2020 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3134722)
You have some big cojones to have bought a boat in April, with the industry in free fall. I bet it was a nice stress relief to deal with the junk of the world since you purchased it

Cojones wouldn’t be the word I would use 😂

DrSteveBrule 09-23-2020 03:29 PM

07 Carver 36MY or 08 Meridian 341 and why? Sedan cruiser question only. Dont care about mako, Hatteras and the like...

Or ...Jeanneau 38 Fly with the outboards? Quality in the details seems to lack a bit on the Jeanneau's I've toured, but I suppose the price reflects.

3enginegoaround 10-17-2020 05:12 PM

Who thinks in the upcoming earnings call Spirit will project us to post a small profit for 4Q2020? Pretty full flights lately? And frequency is coming back. What else could we do to increase flights? We could do what Qantas does and give sightseeing flight (they give sightseeing flights around Antarctica)

imagine a yellow airbus flying down on the Grand Canyon, or perhaps flying 100 feet over the pacific cost for Whale Watching?

CincoDeMayo 10-17-2020 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by 3enginegoaround (Post 3146552)
Who thinks in the upcoming earnings call Spirit will project us to post a small profit for 4Q2020? Pretty full flights lately? And frequency is coming back. What else could we do to increase flights? We could do what Qantas does and give sightseeing flight (they give sightseeing flights around Antarctica)

imagine a yellow airbus flying down on the Grand Canyon, or perhaps flying 100 feet over the pacific cost for Whale Watching?

My guess is slim to none. Helene Becker asked management if they could be 0 cash burn by year end and management gave no indication that would be happening, no less a profit.

Love your optimism, I would be happy if they can continue to reduce the cash burn.

Meep 10-17-2020 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by 3enginegoaround (Post 3146552)
Who thinks in the upcoming earnings call Spirit will project us to post a small profit for 4Q2020? Pretty full flights lately? And frequency is coming back. What else could we do to increase flights? We could do what Qantas does and give sightseeing flight (they give sightseeing flights around Antarctica)

imagine a yellow airbus flying down on the Grand Canyon, or perhaps flying 100 feet over the pacific cost for Whale Watching?

While loads are definitely better, we still have airplanes parked that are costing money and fares are still low. Highly doubt a profit will be posted until the summer.

Qotsaautopilot 10-18-2020 04:51 AM

If a city pair had five flights a day and now it has three and the other two flights are represented by airplanes parked and sitting idle would it be profitable? My guess is not even with those three flights full. Those three full flights have depressed pricing and your capacity is down to 60% on this city pair from pre-Covid which would be incredibly optimistic these days. This is what I see on our very best routes. Factor in the city pairs that aren’t as good across the airline and I don’t see any way we could be profitable in the 3rd quarter.

This also feels a bit like June where traffic was way up and then the surge in cases hit the news and bookings took a nose dive. We will have to wait a couple weeks to see how today’s scary Covid news affects bookings. I don’t think it’s going to be good.

FNGFO 10-18-2020 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3146653)
If a city pair had five flights a day and now it has three and the other two flights are represented by airplanes parked and sitting idle would it be profitable? My guess is not even with those three flights full. Those three full flights have depressed pricing and your capacity is down to 60% on this city pair from pre-Covid which would be incredibly optimistic these days. This is what I see on our very best routes. Factor in the city pairs that aren’t as good across the airline and I don’t see any way we could be profitable in the 3rd quarter.

This also feels a bit like June where traffic was way up and then the surge in cases hit the news and bookings took a nose dive. We will have to wait a couple weeks to see how today’s scary Covid news affects bookings. I don’t think it’s going to be good.

Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

CAirBear 10-18-2020 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3146791)
Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

Bingo. You are already seeing it. Consistently a 2% increase of Pax counts, week over week, for the last 6 weeks or more. Both Fri/Suns are now consistently in the 900s. 1 million is going to be achieved before Thanksgiving.

News of rising cases started well over a month ago. People don’t care anymore and it’s showing.

MCDUmanipulator 10-18-2020 01:54 PM

Pretty sure the majority if not all the planes are that parked currently are 319’s. Which are paid for. So only cost to park them is whatever mx needs to still be done and parking fees. I worked 8 of the last 9 days and never saw a load below 130pax and average was probably about 170.

CincoDeMayo 10-18-2020 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by MCDUmanipulator (Post 3146828)
Pretty sure the majority if not all the planes are that parked currently are 319’s. Which are paid for. So only cost to park them is whatever mx needs to still be done and parking fees. I worked 8 of the last 9 days and never saw a load below 130pax and average was probably about 170.

8 out of the last 9 days? Jesus man, you aren’t at a regional any longer.

Qotsaautopilot 10-18-2020 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3146791)
Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

gosh I hope so

king10pin02 10-19-2020 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3146863)
8 out of the last 9 days? Jesus man, you aren’t at a regional any longer.

no but he can work,4 on 1 off 4 on then have 10+ days off in a row.....

FNGFO 10-19-2020 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 3146926)
gosh I hope so

No hope required. It’s happening now, and is basic human nature.

319wisperer 10-19-2020 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3147053)
No hope required. It’s happening now, and is basic human nature.

A bit more than human nature, but yes, I’m sure human nature and lockdown/quarantine/mask/Covid fatigue is playing into it.

But there is more to it:

This video shot in Italy pretty much explains why the current surge is far different (far more benign) than the first surge that severely crippled Italy. It basically surmises that due to the widespread availability of testing now vs. the spring, the case count is much higher though many of those positive cases are in people with very mild symptoms or are asymptomatic.

During the first wave, there were only enough test kits to test the very sick. So therefore, in the early days of Covid, a high amount of cases meant a high amount of icu patients and deaths. With this surge, that is no longer the case.

I think the same holds true here. In the first days of the pandemic, there was no chance of getting a test unless you were violently ill. Now there are 3 testing facilities within 3 miles of my house where I can have results within 24 hours.

The video is from CNN, so before anyone gets triggered, I guarantee that it’s not agenda based, liberal, “fake news”, whatever you want call it. Just a good 2 minute watch.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/202...tl-ldn-vpx.cnn

CincoDeMayo 10-19-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 3147035)
no but he can work,4 on 1 off 4 on then have 10+ days off in a row.....

Yes, its math...FAs do it too..."Im working 17 days straight so I can non rev to Turkey with 3 FA friends of mine"

Slowhawk 10-19-2020 08:43 AM

TSA reporting over 1M pax screened yesterday for the first time since Rona hit

SSlow 10-19-2020 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3146863)
8 out of the last 9 days? Jesus man, you aren’t at a regional any longer.

I've worked a grand total of 7 days (1 one of those being a DH back to base) since the first part of April, and won't be flying again until at least next June.

CincoDeMayo 10-19-2020 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3147186)
I've worked a grand total of 7 days (1 one of those being a DH back to base) since the first part of April, and won't be flying again until at least next June.

That’s awesome. It’s funny because I too am on my first month of EIL but it’s my 3rd month of not flying, thanks to LCR. You have me best however with your April

MCDUmanipulator 10-20-2020 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by king10pin02 (Post 3147035)
no but he can work,4 on 1 off 4 on then have 10+ days off in a row.....

yup I’m done till early November now.

shrsailplanes 10-21-2020 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3146791)
Eventually the wolf cry of “surging Covid cases” is going to be ignored as people figure out that increasing case counts don’t correlate proportionally to increased body counts. And people will travel in great numbers regardless.

Although dying can be a real bummer, it’s the increased hospitalizations that’s the big deal in my opinion. I think people will still fear the disease when they hear about the Dakota's and Utah running out of hospital beds and staff. Also, as states end up in these conditions it may prompt strict lockdowns that will affect travel.

FNGFO 10-21-2020 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 3147928)
Although dying can be a real bummer, it’s the increased hospitalizations that’s the big deal in my opinion. I think people will still fear the disease when they hear about the Dakota's and Utah running out of hospital beds and staff. Also, as states end up in these conditions it may prompt strict lockdowns that will affect travel.

Sorry. The Dakotas or Utah running out of hospital beds isn’t going to register on the give a $hit-o-meter for most of America. Texas, NY or California runs out of beds? Houston, we have a problem.

It’s important to note that increasing case numbers will drive increased hospitalizations, but the vast majority who are infected will not need anywhere near that kind of care. We’re not in the same place on therapeutics and treatment as we were in March.

shrsailplanes 10-21-2020 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3148094)
Sorry. The Dakotas or Utah running out of hospital beds isn’t going to register on the give a $hit-o-meter for most of America. Texas, NY or California runs out of beds? Houston, we have a problem.

It’s important to note that increasing case numbers will drive increased hospitalizations, but the vast majority who are infected will not need anywhere near that kind of care. We’re not in the same place on therapeutics and treatment as we were in March.

The virus makes its rounds. Who knows which state(s) will be up next for a surge that pushes the capacity of hospitals. Also, keep in mind that a hospital at capacity cannot accept patients that require critical care for other reasons. So, it’s a cluster-f regardless of if it is a less populated state or not.

FNGFO 10-21-2020 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 3148115)
The virus makes its rounds. Who knows which state(s) will be up next for a surge that pushes the capacity of hospitals. Also, keep in mind that a hospital at capacity cannot accept patients that require critical care for other reasons. So, it’s a cluster-f regardless of if it is a less populated state or not.

It is. But the states listed don’t drove national narratives. The hospital my wife works sends people home early everyday as they have too many open beds. The Covid floors were closed a few months ago and returned to normal use. It’s just not the same environment as before.

shrsailplanes 10-21-2020 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3148123)
It is. But the states listed don’t drove national narratives. The hospital my wife works sends people home early everyday as they have too many open beds. The Covid floors were closed a few months ago and returned to normal use. It’s just not the same environment as before.

Hope you’re right.

GrumpyCaptain 10-21-2020 07:13 PM

Just saw on the news a guest passed away on a las-dfw flight. Cause of death covid and the FA’s did cpr! Think it happened in June or July?

king10pin02 10-22-2020 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain (Post 3148315)
Just saw on the news a guest passed away on a las-dfw flight. Cause of death covid and the FA’s did cpr! Think it happened in June or July?

no one dies of the rona on a plane...heart attack, stroke or whatever actually killed the passenger sure..but the media saying they died of rona on a plane is rediculous. media is killing our country and storys like that hurts airline recovery


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